Internet censorship

**tommo** · 11-28-2011 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't really care why they're doing it; as long as they are motivated to do it. Because invention has been and still is the greatest force in the world for improving human life. Which would you rather; harness human greed in order to create an unequal society in which the poorest still have a much better quality of life, or suppress human greed in order to create an equal society in which everybody breaks their back every day ploughing the fields? It's not a hard decision for me.

You are out of touch with reality.
"The poorest still have a much better quality of life". Are you kidding me?
People living on the streets are in a much worse place than even the most ancient peoples were. They're worse off than most animals living in the wild in fact.

Also that's an obviously false dichotomy. I reject both your premises and conceived outcomes.
We could just as likely have exactly the same standard of living we have now, only less corruption and more invention.
Thereby creating a better standard of living.

**Original Poster** · 11-28-2011 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Xei

What about the pragmatic consequences?

You realise that with such a view of copyright, there would be zero pharmaceutical industry? In fact there would be zero drive for invention of any kind whatsoever, it'd be a nightmare.

This is a double-edge sword though because if a product cannot be patented because it was discovered naturally rather than synthesized then there's no research funding for it.

**greenhavoc** · 12-02-2011 01:29 AM

If I forged my neighbor's dl, would that be theft or piracy?

**tommo** · 12-02-2011 01:55 AM

what the fuck is a dl?

**cmind** · 12-02-2011 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by tommo

what the fuck is a dl?

I believe it's a dick lick. Sort of like a salt lick, but for humans.

**greenhavoc** · 12-02-2011 05:14 AM

driver license

someone made a comment about downloading music for free wasn't stealing, they then gave a really horrible explanation as to why: something about the cost was not actually in the music, but in the packaging, so a download is just a copy, therefore not stealing..not sure if they were being serious

**Marvo** · 12-02-2011 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

driver license

someone made a comment about downloading music for free wasn't stealing, they then gave a really horrible explanation as to why: something about the cost was not actually in the music, but in the packaging, so a download is just a copy, therefore not stealing..not sure if they were being serious

The epitome of extended discussion.

**khh** · 12-02-2011 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

If I forged my neighbor's dl, would that be theft or piracy?

I realize this is probably a rhetorical question, but it would be forgery. And it's a horrible counter-example, as the reason this is illegal has nothing to do with money.

**greenhavoc** · 12-05-2011 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by khh

I realize this is probably a rhetorical question, but it would be forgery. And it's a horrible counter-example, as the reason this is illegal has nothing to do with money.

I know it would be forgery, I even used the term forged. As to why this is illegal, is irrelevant.

**Original Poster** · 12-05-2011 06:51 PM

That's completely relevant. That's the whole point. If you cannot make a claim defining why it should be legal or not why are you a part of this discussion?

**greenhavoc** · 12-05-2011 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

That's completely relevant. That's the whole point. If you cannot make a claim defining why it should be legal or not why are you a part of this discussion?

right, but the question i asked:

If I forged my neighbor's dl, would that be theft or piracy?

doesn't require legal status to answer. also, what does reasoning have to do with whether an action is a theft, or piracy, when the very notion there is anything different between these 2 terms is absurd

**cmind** · 12-05-2011 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

right, but the question i asked:

doesn't require legal status to answer. also, what does reasoning have to do with whether an action is a theft, or piracy, when the very notion there is anything different between these 2 terms is absurd

What, exactly, are you stealing?

**Marvo** · 12-05-2011 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by cmind

What, exactly, are you stealing?

Our sanity.

**greenhavoc** · 12-06-2011 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by cmind

What, exactly, are you stealing?

so it is stealing?

**cmind** · 12-06-2011 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

so it is stealing?

So you are trolling?

**ThePreserver** · 12-06-2011 04:45 AM

Congratulations, Internet Censorship thread! You made it to about 85 posts before it became completely nonsensical and useless! That's probably a new record...

Don't mind me... please, continue.

**greenhavoc** · 12-06-2011 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by cmind

So you are trolling?

am i trying to steal this thread, or maybe hijack the validity of it, is that what you're asking me

**khh** · 12-06-2011 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

right, but the question i asked:

If I forged my neighbor's dl, would that be theft or piracy?

And I answered "It would be neither, it would be forgery". Doesn't require legal status to understand

**cmind** · 12-06-2011 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

am i trying to steal this thread, or maybe hijack the validity of it, is that what you're asking me

Yes, thank you.

**Marm** · 12-08-2011 12:29 AM

The Great Firewall of China is much more annoying in my opinion. I went to Shanghai on holiday last year and websites such as Google were completely unaccessible.

**tommo** · 12-08-2011 02:48 AM

Well you can use Google here, so you should be able to find out that unaccessible is not a word.

**Marvo** · 12-15-2011 05:27 PM

Congress or whatever is currently in session, I have no idea what it is all called, but from what I understand, they are soon going to vote about the SOPA bill.

http://mfile.akamai.com/65764/live/r...p=39655&prop=n

Stream.

**ThePreserver** · 12-15-2011 08:01 PM

I saw a commercial supporting SOPA... it said "American jobs are being lost by piracy. Protect your country, protect your jobs. Tell your Congressman to support SOPA."

And I facepalmed...

**Ne-yo** · 12-15-2011 11:07 PM

This thread has me cracking up.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

If I forged my neighbor's dl, would that be theft or piracy?

Originally Posted by tommo

what the fuck is a dl?

Originally Posted by cmind

I believe it's a dick lick. Sort of like a salt lick, but for humans.

Funniest shit I've seen here in a long time

**Marvo** · 12-16-2011 12:08 AM

So far in congress, a lot of opposing voices have been brought forward, but in seems that there's generally still a majority in favour of the bill, which is very depressing.

It's very interesting to follow this from my point of view, since I'm a Dane. I must say, the amount of representatives that are simply bought is astounding. They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, they obviously don't care, they just say what they are paid to say, and if somebody asks them to specifically explain something, their ignorance and complete lack of understanding comes forward.