Thread: Legally detaining American citizens indefinitely and without trial

If the United States is the battlefield then I know my enemy.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

If the United States is the battlefield then I know my enemy.

You're already on like 10 lists.

I have a list, too.

^ Oooh!! .. So, am I Naughty or Nice?

Hold on I need to check it twice.

Lol I'm gonna go in and agree with you on the "All points of view are truth" thread so I don't get a lump of burning coal..

Someone's getting an Xbox

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(leaving thread now so it can get back on topic.. )

I think we're too far gone from that already. In record time, too!

But seriously. No one seems to care about this, and those that care don't care enough to write their senators or representative... if enough people just took 3 minutes to even send a form email saying that they will not re-elect them, they might pay attention. (Wishful thinking, maybe. But it's better than letting them detain you legally.)

The law is illegal, even if passed. If that ever came up in the supreme court it should, and probably would be thrown out. We should all treat it as an unlawful act. If the government uses that law to hold someone they are basically kidnapping people. Do you want to live in a country that kidnaps people?

Originally Posted by Alric

The law is illegal, even if passed.

Originally Posted by Alric

The law is illegal, even if passed. If that ever came up in the supreme court it should, and probably would be thrown out. We should all treat it as an unlawful act. If the government uses that law to hold someone they are basically kidnapping people. Do you want to live in a country that kidnaps people?

The PATRIOT Act is illegal according to the Constitution, and the Federal Reserve, according to the Constitution, cannot exist.
In order for anyone to care, however, you need to ENFORCE it

Soooo many laws we pass are "illegal" but they get through anyways. I'm hoping the White House vetoes it or the Supreme Court deals with it properly... although the Supreme Court makes some pretty stupid decisions... (Citizens United v. FEC)

If the congress passes a law they are not allowed to do then it isn't a legally binding law DuB. Congress does not have the authority to pass a law to kidnap people. It directly goes against the constitution. Which is why if it finds its way to the supreme court it will be thrown out and deemed illegal. That isn't to say it is easy to overturn illegal laws, but the law is still illegal under our government system.

Originally Posted by Alric

If the congress passes a law they are not allowed to do then it isn't a legally binding law DuB. Congress does not have the authority to pass a law to kidnap people. It directly goes against the constitution. Which is why if it finds its way to the supreme court it will be thrown out and deemed illegal. That isn't to say it is easy to overturn illegal laws, but the law is still illegal under our government system.

So military intervention in Libya is not legally-binding since it went outside of "laws they are allowed to pass." Then why are we there, again? Same thing with Yemen...

My point is, Congress doesn't give a shit about what they can and can't pass... if they DID care they wouldn't try and pass it in the first place.

I'll rate the banter between posts 2 and 9 at a 7.5.

Of course they do not care. Everyone else should care though, and they should know that it isn't a real law. And you should treat them doing it as if they are willfully breaking the law, because that is what they are actually doing.

Originally Posted by Alric

If the congress passes a law they are not allowed to do then it isn't a legally binding law DuB.

That way of thinking died in 1865 along with the second rebellion.

Really? The confederacy? Really???

The Muslims are totally jelly when it comes to American freedom.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

The Muslims are totally jelly when it comes to American freedom.

Well, can't say we've imprisoned any rape victims under the charge of extramarital sex.

Occupy Dallas brought this to my attention days before the vote, but in all honesty I didn't care to write to my representative, becuase I've really lost all confidence in senate and congress :/. Do they even read these letters or even care?

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

I think we're too far gone from that already. In record time, too!

But seriously. No one seems to care about this, and those that care don't care enough to write their senators or representative... if enough people just took 3 minutes to even send a form email saying that they will not re-elect them, they might pay attention. (Wishful thinking, maybe. But it's better than letting them detain you legally.)

Petition websites are actually pretty good for this sort of thing.
We have a website in Aus called GetUp which isn't petitions specifically, but more sending letters and organising protests, TV ads, campaigns etc. But I think a petition site could be used for the same purpose.

Originally Posted by Supernova

Really? The confederacy? Really???

Oh, was Confederacy a bad word? Canada is a confederacy. Does that mean we're all slave owners?

Originally Posted by Supernova

Really? The confederacy? Really???

Oh, was Confederacy a bad word? Canada is a confederacy. Does that mean we're all slave owners?