Thread: How to learn to do vivid visualizations?.So vivid that will confuse with real world,physical things?

Originally Posted by snoop

I was only suggesting it because that's literally what he's asking for. Not to mention, trying to become delirious after depriving yourself of sleep for days is pretty much just as "dangerous". Deliriants are without a doubt unhealthy and possibly dangerous, but you run the same risks with other drugs (possibly less risk with classic psychedelics, but the wide range of physiological effects caused by most drugs adds high potential for dangerous reactions regardless). I find it kind of funny that you are upset that I suggested deliriants rather than because I suggested drugs at all.

Why would I be upset about that? I'm extremely pro-drug, and I do think that psychedelics would likely give the OP what he wants. However, I would much sooner compare deliriants to poisons than other recreational drugs. They're not "possibly" dangerous, and the risk is MUCH worse than with sleep deprivation and most other drugs. Believe me, there is a reason that practically no one in the drug scene uses deliriants despite the fact that they're some of the most easily obtainable drugs. It's true that rating by equivalent doses of comparable drugs there's not a massive risk with deliriants, but that's not what the situation is; taking a dose of diphenhydramine comparable to a "safe" dose of a stimulant will not produce any kind of recreational buzz, only sedation. Taking a deliriant to trip is similar to purposefully overdosing on speed for the sake of hallucinating, and they effect the brain and body in almost the exact same way. In the same vein, deliriant trips come with the possibility of intense vasoconstriction, heart palpitations and arrhythmias, increased body temperatures to the level of producing fever-like delirium on top of their normal effects, seizures, and strokes all at commonly used "recreational" doses. An extremely large number of deliriant trips end in the hospital, and many others end in jail. Most people who use them also end up with some form of HPPD usually coupled with increasingly intense anxiety and panic attacks, which also precipitate depression. You can even see reports of people who were victims of scopolamine-based crimes in Columbia saying that they've had persistent memory and visual problems ever since the crime, a single use. The same holds true with diphenhydramine and other deliriants.... They stick with you. I had to quit using all other drugs for a long time because every time I would do literally anything I would suddenly feel like I was on diphenhydramine again, including the hallucinations and some of the side effects that appeared with chronic use. This is not an effect unique to me, you can find other reports of it out there. I still can't use stimulants and psychedelics, which used to be my favorite drugs, because they give me strong anxiety now and make me tremor and move like I have Parkinson's or something. Despite this, the hallucinations can be enough to draw people back because of how powerful they are. I used to use diphenhydramine all the time because I was addicted to the intensity of it, as are many other people. All diphheads are exactly like the OP, just looking to experience true hallucinations or escape reality as intensely as possible, and those are the people who are most susceptible to deliriants.

I repeat: There is never a good enough excuse to use deliriants. Seriously, just go with something else.