War Veteran Detained Against His Will for Criticising Government Officials on Facebook

[mcwillis]

With some people being critical of me of late and accusing me of suffering paranoia about the beginnings of an open descent of the USA into a state far worse than Nazi Germany was 70 years ago should take a look at this shocking tale below in quote marks about Brandon Raub, a Marine who placed his life on the firing line in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2005 to 2011. Brandon Raub, a former Marine who was detained by the federal government over Facebook posts critical of the government is being held in a psychiatric ward. "I'm currently in John Randolph in the psychiatric ward being held against my will," Brandon Raub said in a telephone interview with the Richmond Times Dispatch. "[Authorities] were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials." Raub noted that he has been raising questions about 9/11 and signed a petition to reopen investigation of the terrorist attacks. According to Raub's mother, authorities from the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County PD came to their door on Thursday evening, questioned Raub about his Facebook posts, then handcuffed him and placed him in a Chesterfield PD squad car before taking him directly to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Va. Raub, 26, has not been arrested. Both FBI Richmond spokeswoman Dee Rybiski and Secret Service Washington spokesman Max Milien said that there are no charges against Raub while the Chesterfield PD said they were assisting federal agents. When asked about why Raub was placed in a psychiatric ward, Rybiski said that the FBI "had nothing to do with that" and that the FBI typically doesn't "make determinations such as that." "We went out to interview him because of complaints that our office had received about people coming across his posts and perceiving them as threatening so our office along with Chesterfield County Police Department on Thursday," Rybiski told us. "When we left we had not arrested him, we had not placed our hands on him, we did not detain him and we did not charge him." Secret Service spokesman Brian Leary said: "The Secret Service assissted the FBI with the interview. He was not arrested by the Secret Service. The Secret Service will continue to monitor the situation. We have no further comment at this time." When asked who ordered Raub to be taken to the psychiatric ward, Leary pointed out that Raub was placed in a Chesterfield PD police car but gave no further details. Raub said he "talked to a Secret Service gentleman for 20, 30 minutes" and reportedly had a hearing beginning at 10 a.m. today at the John Randolph Medical Center. Two family members and some attorneys were allowed to attend. Radio host Adam Kokesh reports that Raub's hearing "is over but he is still being held at the John Randolph Hospital against his will." "I really love America, and I think that idea that you can be detained and sent somewhere without due process and a lawyer is crazy," Raub said.

[Man of Shred]

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[mcwillis]

Chesterfield man held in hospital on concerns over Internet posts | Richmond Times-Dispatch

[DreiHundert]

Why is it important that he is a war veteran? Are injustices less bad when they happen to college students, teachers, and road workers? I agree that Gitmo is a bad deal, and it's jacked up to be able to send people to prison to be tortured, especially without giving them a fair trial. This is a case of the american people sacraficing their freedom for just a little bit of security... Because they are weak. In the case of Raub and his psychiatric ward, it sounds like a similar concept, detaining people against their will. It sounds like what happens at airport security to tons of people. The only problems I have with this article is that this isn't the only case of injustice, but since it happened to a war veteran instead of a muslim it's suddenly horrible.

[Universal Mind]

When the government slips in little things like the ability for them to hold people without trial in the name of security, things get really dangerous. This stuff is completely out of the question, and it gives the government major power to make the people powerless. The Bill of Rights itself is under attack, and the two subdivisions of the Republicratic Party have divided up the amendments they want to kill. Together, they are out to assassinate almost all 10 amendments. Here are all 10 of them. Ask yourself which ones are no longer in effect and also which ones are under major attack. 1. Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition 2. Right to keep and bear arms 3. Conditions for quarters of soldiers 4. Right of search and seizure regulated 5. Provisons concerning prosecution 6. Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc. 7. Right to a trial by jury 8. Excessive bail, cruel punishment 9. Rule of construction of Constitution 10. Rights of the States under Constitution US Constitution--Bill of Rights--The First Ten Amendments 1 and 2 are under major attack, 4 no longer applies to automobiles, 6 7 and 8 have been stomped down hard by post-9/11 security measures, and 10 is treated like it's a mere suggestion. This is no exaggeration. The Bill of Rights is being subtly voided out of existence. The trick the Nazis pulled that gave them what they needed to take over and zap away Germany's rights was to "suspend" the country's constitution, in supposedly the best interests of the country. They had it made once they accomplished that. What is the United States government doing?

[Xei]

far worse than Nazi Germany was 70 years ago Maybe it's because of stupid comments like this that people don't take you seriously... If you lived in Nazi Germany you wouldn't have even heard about this story, let alone would there be any civil rights group objecting to it in the first place. People in power will always try to abuse it. When an abuse can be freely reported on and then challenged... that's what it looks like when the system's working. Should it turn out that there's no reason for his detainment, and no response is ever given to the challenge, and yet no process is ever enacted to reverse the detainment... that's when you can start to worry.

[mcwillis]

Maybe it's because of stupid comments like this that people don't take you seriously... The story I started this thread contains very disturbing conditions as Universal Mind has pointed out. Let me ask you a few questions sunshine... The Department of Homeland Security has purchased over the last year more than one billion, I'll say that again, more than one billion rounds of ammunition. Asked as to what this ammo is for they have stated that it is for... wait for it... 'training purposes under the auspices of immigration and customs enforcement' . Who do you think the Gestapo were aiming their ammunition at? Germans or other Europeans? Unlike Germany the USA is not a landlocked country. Who do you think they intend to aim that 'training' ammo at? Are you that stupid that you think that that enormous amount of ammo is to take out a few fucking eloping Mexicans? Come on you want to talk about seriously? Notice in the picture below this Department of Homeland Security armoured vehicle, for domestic use, doesn't have police written on it anywhere (I hear someone whispering Gestapo in the background).

[Xei]

Unlike Germany the USA is not a landlocked country. Well that about sums up the quality of your theorising.

[mcwillis]

Well that about sums up the quality of your theorising. A landlocked country is a country entirely enclosed by land, or whose only coastlines lie on closed seas. That isn't fucking theory. Now you are a clever chap and you may not agree with my perception of the United States descent into tyranny. If you don't want to play nicely then at least answer my questions with a decent rebuttal. You can be a really nasty chap at times.

[Xei]

Landlocked countries. You didn't make any other points. You did seem to suggest that border patrols train with live Mexicans though. That bit made me snort tea through my nose.

[Descensus]

A landlocked country is a country entirely enclosed by land, or whose only coastlines lie on closed seas. That isn't fucking theory. Now you are a clever chap and you may not agree with my perception of the United States descent into tyranny. If you don't want to play nicely then at least answer my questions with a decent rebuttal. You can be a really nasty chap at times. Germany has access to both the North and Baltic Seas. So uh. Not landlocked. Edit - The Baltic sea sort of looks closed off, but it connects to the North Sea between Denmark and Sweden. But even if you say the Baltic doesn't count, Germany still has access to the North Sea, and subsequently the Atlantic. So again, not landlocked.

[mcwillis]

Germany has access to both the North and Baltic Seas. So uh. Not landlocked. Edit - The Baltic sea sort of looks closed off, but it connects to the North Sea between Denmark and Sweden. But even if you say the Baltic doesn't count, Germany still has access to the North Sea, and subsequently the Atlantic. So again, not landlocked. Thanks for correcting me. I am open to constructive criticism. You are a nice chap.

[Descensus]

Thanks for correcting me. I am open to constructive criticism. You are a nice chap. But what does being landlocked have to do with your original point?

[mcwillis]

Why is it important that he is a war veteran? Because he put his life in grave mortal danger for six years. He should be treated with deep respect for his desire to sacrifice his life to protect his fellow countrymen. Instead he has been denied his most basic freedoms for expressing his opinions that certain members of his government have broken the laws of his land. And yes it is horrible as you say. He's not the only one either, I like this video clip of retired Lieutenat Colonel Robert Bowman expressing the same views as Brandon Raub.

[mcwillis]

But what does being landlocked have to do with your original point? What does the DHS need all that ammo for? What invading threat exists that requires such a huge stockpile of ammo? I am trying to point out that the Nazi's were pointing there guns essentially outside of Germany. The scenario of the DHS stockpiling enormous arms and battle equipment seems to be frighteningly the opposite.

[Xei]

Okay, you missed this the first time so here it is again. Training isn't done on actual Mexicans.

[mcwillis]

Okay, you missed this the first time so here it is again. Training isn't done on actual Mexicans. I didn't miss it, Im trying to remove the stinging sensation from my nose that came about when I snorted the coffee I was drinking when I read your post. Of course they don't train on real Mexicans, I was being sarcastic as the threat of an invasion of Mexicans each requiring thousands of rounds of ammo to defeat them is as ridiculous as the sun turning blue tomorrow. The DHS is only responsible for domestic security issues. It really begs the question as to why they need to be stockpiling enormous amounts of military grade hardware for domestic purposes. Sure, if China was to declare war then all that hardware would come in handy to defend the nation. But my assertion seems more plausible considering the lawlessness displayed by the opening post.

[Xei]

Right. You realise you didn't respond at all to what I said about that opening post? Bringing up some random conspiracy is not a rebuttal to any of my criticisms, it's just a way of avoiding them.

[tommo]

1 and 2 are under major attack, How is the right to bear arms under attack? As far as I can tell, next to no one wants to get rid of that. Maybe it's because of stupid comments like this that people don't take you seriously... If you lived in Nazi Germany you wouldn't have even heard about this story Like most of the American populace. Who have been brainwashed and over worked to the point that they don't care and/or just take Faux news as fact. People in power will always try to abuse it. When an abuse can be freely reported on and then challenged Murdoch media.... see previous point. Should it turn out that there's no reason for his detainment, and no response is ever given to the challenge, and yet no process is ever enacted to reverse the detainment... that's when you can start to worry. What do you mean? How is anyone going to challenge his detainment? They don't need a trial to keep him imprisoned.

[Xei]

What do you mean? There's a civil liberties group acting on his behalf right now. Believe it or not it's not actually legal in the US to lock a guy up in a psych ward with absolutely no justification.

[Universal Mind]

How is the right to bear arms under attack? As far as I can tell, next to no one wants to get rid of that. I'll start with our fascist in chief. Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out Obama Supports DC Handgun Ban - YouTube The Democratic wing of the Republicratic Party is pushing hard to convince the public to support diminishing gun rights even more on national, state, and city levels, and many of their prominent leaders are pushing to make guns illegal overall. Do you ever listen to Rosie O'Donnell or Bill Maher? They, among other prominent Democrats, support flat out ditching the 2nd Amendment, and they are pandering to a supportive audience. Check out this clusterfuck. It's not as simple as "right to bear arms." State governments have decided what arms people can have when. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...ates_(by_state) This is what people have to deal with in being granted (if they pull it off) the right to bear arms in New York City. Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the Obama video, he said he supports the hand gun ban in Washington, D.C., which shows that there is a hand gun ban in the U.S. capital. We no longer really have the right to bear arms. Some of us have the modern government given privilege to bear certain arms under certain circumstances. The 2nd Amendment isn't something to play around with. You quoted my reference to the 1st Amendment, and this illustrates what is happening with it. Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Obama seeks to restrict free speech and 'hate speech,' yet he is blind to the racism of his allies - Washington DC SCOTUS | Examiner.com http://www.volokh.com/2009/10/01/is-...d-hate-speech/ Amendments 1 and 2 are both Democratic Party targets. The Fairness Doctrine was once used to ensure that communications companies accurately covered both sides of political issues when there were just a few stations. As the number of stations increased, the doctrine lost support and was repealed. Now we have zillions of news and commentary outlets, but there is a push by Democrats in Congress and their supporters to bring back the Fairness Doctrine to regulate how much of a political wing's speech can be expressed on public airwaves. In other words, if liberals don't get "equal time" on radio, then people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have to sit out and shut up. It would be a straight up ban on free speech. People on both sides of the political spectrum are free to have radio shows, so the argument behind it is ridiculous. Obama and his supporters are also pushing for further bans on "hate speech," mainly against religions, such as... ISLAM. There is that famous saying that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. In this case, it is paved with supposedly good intentions. I just put a lot of time into that. I'll come back and bash 4th Amendment erosion later. It's a conservative/Republican project that has made great progress.

[tommo]

Oh, you guys have obviously lost the first amendment, I already know that. Just have to look at Occupy. It is an absolutely bullshit right though. But the thing is, if I lived in America, I would wholeheartedly support it because I would want to be able to protect myself against the government/police/army etc.

[DeletePlease]

[Universal Mind]

That is some insane stuff there. The assault on the First Amendment has reached a new level of escalation. This is big time. I said that the Fourth Amendment no longer exists for automobiles. It is losing power as it pertains to houses also. RIP 4th Amendment - YouTube Federal circuit courts in large numbers have ruled that warrants are no longer necessary for automobiles, and the probable cause standard has been reduced to reasonable suspicion in many circuits. That is a bitch slap to the Fourth Amendment. If you read the language in the court decisions on it, you will recurringly see the words "the interest in fighting drugs." The new rule, as opposed to the FOURTH AMENDMENT, is that if the government interest in a search is greater than the "reasonable expectation of privacy" intruded upon, it's okay to search... without a warrant. That gives cops a free pass to pull over anybody for any bullshit reason ("Uh, he swerved. Yeah.") and search their vehicles for any bullshit reason ("Duh, I smelled cocaine."). There is no accountability. If the cops find nothing, the person drives off and has nothing to complain about in court in terms of Fourth Amendment violation. If the cops find drugs, they can just argue that they found drugs and therefore obviously had reason to search. So, cops can search whenever they feel like it and face zero consequences. Yes, it is that fucked up. Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Motor Vehicle Exception FourthAmendment.com Random checkpoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia