Thread: Was Sandy Hook a Hoax?

Even if all this circumstantial evidence was slightly believable, it would still seem to me that it's much more likely a madman with a gun killed some kids.

Governments are made up of people just as stupid as us. There's no way anyone could pull off anything this complex.

It doesn't have to be complex. One person could have hired one gunman. Maybe one person hired one gunman and a few actors. There are many possibilities.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It doesn't have to be complex. One person could have hired one gunman. Maybe one person hired one gunman and a few actors. There are many possibilities.

So you're saying someone got a gunman to kill a bunch of kids just for the chance of restricting gun laws?

Or if you're saying that no-one was actually shot, then someone managed to create a huge fabrication which could not possibly be simple.

Either way, the conspirators would have put in a huge amount of effort (and shed a large amount of blood if you're admitting that people were killed) for the chance to restrict gun laws. And they obviously didn't hire good forecasters, because it didn't really change anything.

I think it probably got botched, and I absolutely do believe there are people at high levels of the government ruthless enough to kill kids just to make an attempt at getting public support for a policy. Have you ever read about Operation Northwoods?

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know what happened at Sandy Hook, but it reads like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think it probably got botched, and I absolutely do believe there are people at high levels of the government ruthless enough to kill kids just to make an attempt at getting public support for a policy. Have you ever read about Operation Northwoods?

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know what happened at Sandy Hook, but it reads like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Operation Northwoods was rejected, and I believe anything like it would have no chance of getting close to being realised. It's just over-zealous idiots who suggest this kind of thing, who aren't clever enough to cover their tracks if they tried to do it by themselves.

Originally Posted by Patrick

Operation Northwoods was rejected, and I believe anything like it would have no chance of getting close to being realised. It's just over-zealous idiots who suggest this kind of thing, who aren't clever enough to cover their tracks if they tried to do it by themselves.

Operation Northwoods was drafted and supported by all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. All that was needed was John F. Kennedy's agreement. Kennedy was an unusually principled president, and he was the one person who rejected Operation Northwoods. We have had some sociopaths in office since then who I think would have given the okay. After seeing what a lying manipulator Obama was with his campaign promises and how meaningless the Constitution is to him, I don't put false flags past him.

Government monopolized the news agency. They censored the important news of Sandy Hook shootings. Sandy Hook - Judge seals police records for 90 days. It helps to fume suspicion of people. Why did they release so much inconsistent information on Sandy Hook shooting?

Do you know why they released the following news (MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE)? Because there are many people work for government as informants. They are afraid of becoming sacrifices when they were told to carry out a mission. So the late news (hijackers still alive) released to comfort them. Now we saw so many disinformation released later after Sandy Hook shooting. It hints "we didn't kill that many children". That's the trick how the government fool you the people.

MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

The world's media has reported that many of the so-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. For example the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report:

Hijack "suspects" alive and well.

The following article is a remake of http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm which lists many of the media articles dealing with the hijackers who were not hijackers.

Many 9-11 "Hijackers" are Still Alive.

Sandy hook school location map from sky

Sandy Hook School was selected particularly for its location. It was in a dead end of a road. No others would pass by and witness what have happened. It largely protect the perpetrators to commit a crime without being discovered and then left. The time was at 9:40, parents left already and they couldn’t be witness too. The victims were first grade pupils, they were too young to describe a scene even if they were survived the massacre. Yet, the murderers tried to kill everyone.

Full Disclosure: CO, WI, CT shootings.. Are These The Work of "Lone Wolf" Gunmen

Chief State Medical Examiner Carver Retires

By DAVE ALTIMARI, [email protected] Hartford Courant
4:58 p.m. CDT, May 23, 2013
Long-time chief state medical examiner H. Wayne Carver announced Thursday that he is retiring and will be replaced by the deputy medical examiner in New York City.

Carver, who always joked he was aptly named for the job, has been the chief state medical examiner since March 1989 and has worked at the office since July 1, 1982. He took over as chief following the controversial exit of Catherine Galvin, who left after it was revealed she took her pet dog into rooms where autopsies were being conducted.
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Sandy Hook Medical Examiner H Wayne Carver FRAUD EXPOSED

I don't claim that this is a smoking gun, but I would love to see somebody explain what on Earth is happening here.

Umm the spot he claims is the 'same' spot clearly isn't the same spot. There is zero reason to think the location he randomly picked was where those people were standing.

What??? How did that other building get so close?

Bill Drafted In Secret Would Block Release Of Some Newtown Massacre Records

The staffs of the state's top prosecutor and the governor's office have been working in secret with legislative leaders on a law to withhold records related to the police investigation into the Dec. 14 Newtown elementary school massacre.

By JON LENDER, EDMUND H. MAHONY and DAVE ALTIMARI, [email protected] Hartford Courant
10:18 p.m. EDT, May 21, 2013

The staffs of the state's top prosecutor and the governor's office have been working in secret with General Assembly leaders on legislation to withhold records related to the police investigation into the Dec. 14 Newtown elementary school massacre — including victims' photos, tapes of 911 calls, and possibly more.

The behind-the-scenes legislative effort came to light Tuesday when The Courant obtained a copy of an email by a top assistant to Chief State's Attorney Kevin Kane, Timothy J. Sugrue. Sugrue, an assistant state's attorney, discussed options considered so far, including blocking release of statements "made by a minor."

Newtown Massacre Records: Bill Drafted In Secret Would Block Release Of Some Newtown Massacre Records - Courant.com

What other building? You mean that wall that is clearly two inches thick at most and clearly isn't a building because a person walked right around it? The flat white wall clearly isn't the same wall that they show of the other building, which looks nothing even remotely similar. I am not sure what it is, but it is clearly a free standing wall and not a building. My guess is either some kind of barrier, or a privacy screen.

It clearly isn't the building that guy claimed it is, unless you think the building magically changed to look totally different.

This is an aerial view of the premises:

sandy hook f house.jpg

You can't even see the building that seemed so close in part of the video. There seem to be differences but similarities between the two building images, but I can't tell if it is just dimness that makes the difference. What I do know is that the firehouse is supposedly the one and only official spot where people went to walk around, panic, and wait on news while the school was in lock down. So where is that building that appears to be so close to the firehouse?

It clearly isn't the same building. The wall in the first picture is entirely smooth, and the wall in the second is like vinyl siding that is in layers. Also the type of lens you use can easily effect how far away an object appears in the background. Take a look at this, and notice how the object in focus at the front is basically the same in every photo, yet things in the background has massive differences. The object wasn't moved at all but look how much farther things appear to be in the last than in the first.

What is the building that looks close up in the background? They were supposed to be at the firehouse.

Even before we brought over a bunch of nazis we were committing the same atrocious experiments on people as Germany and the USSR. We were at best Nazi Lite. Looking back historically, from the purposefully instigated massacre to start the Mexican American war to the Gulf of Tonkin, the United States is no stranger to false flags. It seems asinine to dismiss the possibility that our government fabricates tragedy to manufacture consensus since it's so well established that they have in the past.

However that doesn't mean Obama has much to do with it, or that he's a sociopath. Ever since Kennedy, each president's hair grows inexplicably whiter directly after their inauguration. Kennedy, Lincoln and Jackson all attempted to free us from a central banking system. Jackson actually succeeded but survived several assassination attempts due to miraculous gun misfire. It's not necessary that the president or any member of his cabinet be in on it. From Woodrow Wilson to Eisenhower to Kennedy many of our nation's leaders have referred to a secret government that acts independently of the executive branch.

Originally Posted by Alric

What other building? You mean that wall that is clearly two inches thick at most and clearly isn't a building because a person walked right around it? The flat white wall clearly isn't the same wall that they show of the other building, which looks nothing even remotely similar. I am not sure what it is, but it is clearly a free standing wall and not a building. My guess is either some kind of barrier, or a privacy screen.

It clearly isn't the building that guy claimed it is, unless you think the building magically changed to look totally different.

From what I can see, he has the wrong corner of the building picked out. It looks more like it's the corner of the bottom of the "T" shape. My reasons for thinking this is because there is a pole right next to the corner in both instances of the footage, but there is none on the corner he picked. However, the cops in both instances of the images are all extremely large for being in the background--unless their entire police force is freakishly huge, there is still something wrong with the video here.

Actually, I take back my first statement. After watching the third video, you can clearly see the pole on that corner where he thinks it is. Now it's more like the left corner of the horizontal part of the "T" when looking at the building as a "T". Curiously, though, there is now a garage addition to the bottom of the T nearest the shed that wasn't there before, but that doesn't mean it isn't the same building.

Also, think about what you're saying. I don't think I've ever been to a parking lot that has a free standing wall or privacy barrier simply for the sake of having one. I think skepticism is healthy, especially in a case like this where both sides are throwing out wild claims, but what you say needs to at least make sense. I will definitely admit that the guy speaking in the video's attitude isn't helping to prove his point very much, but he's got a legitimate point. The depth of field in all this footage is all fucked up and so are the sizes of everything in the background.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Even before we brought over a bunch of nazis we were committing the same atrocious experiments on people as Germany and the USSR. We were at best Nazi Lite. Looking back historically, from the purposefully instigated massacre to start the Mexican American war to the Gulf of Tonkin, the United States is no stranger to false flags. It seems asinine to dismiss the possibility that our government fabricates tragedy to manufacture consensus since it's so well established that they have in the past.

However that doesn't mean Obama has much to do with it, or that he's a sociopath. Ever since Kennedy, each president's hair grows inexplicably whiter directly after their inauguration. Kennedy, Lincoln and Jackson all attempted to free us from a central banking system. Jackson actually succeeded but survived several assassination attempts due to miraculous gun misfire. It's not necessary that the president or any member of his cabinet be in on it. From Woodrow Wilson to Eisenhower to Kennedy many of our nation's leaders have referred to a secret government that acts independently of the executive branch.

That's true. It wasn't necessarily a presidential action. However, I think it was. Obama has been parading around with the supposed victims' families, crying fake tears, and pushing gun control over the situation. I think he probably fits into the picture somewhere, but he might not be the ring leader.

Here's another phenomenon caught in the same scene:



Notice what happens to the woman's body from :42 to :45. Also, that guy with the big blue jacket doesn't look right to me. He looks like he was green screened in or something. His coloration and his mannerisms just don't seem to match the situation. It's odd in a way I can't fully identify.

The president is never the ring leader, only the mascot. Just cause he's following orders doesn't mean he decided to instigate a hoax.

Keep something else in mind, the father of the Sandy Hook shooter and the father of the Aurora shooter were both set to testify and name names regarding the FICO hearing. Meaning they both posed threats to money laundering elites in the top of the financial industry, such as Goldman Sachs. Obama acted as a puppet for Goldman Sachs then, why not now as well? Maybe his anti-gun shit is a red herring to distract all the conspiracy theorists from what's really going on.

I wasn't there so I can't tell what it is, though the man in that video claims that to be the exact spot when it clearly isn't. His claim that the video is proof of a green screen can't even be taken seriously if he picked the wrong corner of the building to compare views to. Besides did you look at the pictures I posted? Those pictures prove that objects in the background can be distorted due to the type of lens you take a picture with.

As for that new video, it is easily explained. You are watching a poor quality recording of the video that has degraded slightly. Here is the actual video. Notice how it is more clear, and she clearly doesn't walk through the wood.

The video degraded and a woman walked through another one? Could it be that your video is just an improvement of the other one?

I don't agree with the guy who said he had a smoking gun. He was just trying to get hits so he could get ad money. However, where is that building on the firehouse premises? I posted an aerial view of the area. What on Earth is that building? I can't find it in any aerial view.