I would say murder is worse, since I considering killing someone the worst possible thing that can happen to a person. Since your basically permanently erasing their existence from the universe. I think both should be taken very serious though. |
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In general, which is worse? I'm hoping thread discussion will cover a few things in particular: |
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Last edited by GavinGill; 09-23-2014 at 09:09 AM. Reason: too tired for grammarz
I would say murder is worse, since I considering killing someone the worst possible thing that can happen to a person. Since your basically permanently erasing their existence from the universe. I think both should be taken very serious though. |
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Both pose the same threat, IMO. Although I'm not sure which one is more likely to repeat offend, on average. |
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It depends on circumstances imo... how the person was murdered, what the reason was, any family left behind etc. all play a role in how bad I would view it. Same with rape... it's always bad in my mind, but some cases are more brutal than others. |
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Interesting question, but pretty hard to answer in any straightforward way. I mean the basic question of which is worse, the followup questions are much better. The basic question is apples and oranges. With murder of course the victim is dead. You have to hurt them really really reeeeally bad to kill them, but then it's over. Some people are saying that because it's over there's no more pain, and yeah, that's good - but the person's entire LIFE is over. Barring ideas about reincarnation or an afterlife that's permanent. So that makes it pretty damn bad. But on the other hand if you rape someone you hurt them really really bad (note one less really and a lot less 'e's) and cause them extreme humiliation and shame and dysfunction that can last a long time - possibly the rest of their life, and could ruin their chances of having normal relationships from that point forward. So it's more like torture, the gift that keeps on giving. There's a lot more suffering involved. Of course this is assuming we're talking about the worst kind of rape, violent sexual assault. |
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This neglects one thing: your survivors. |
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will.
Murder is definitely worse. You are given no chances after you are dead - you can't keep on living. With rape, yes, you can say your life was "ruined", but there are still options - you can make it better. In the end if you can't, you always have the option of suicide. |
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What kind of fool, what kind of fool am I? I look for shadows in the sun, and memories of days to come.
Maybe it's because of the mental illness, but I don't see how death is of any real consequence in and of itself. Worst case scenario, you simply cease to be and you're free. Best case scenario, there's an afterlife in which case you don't really "die" after all, you just make a transition from one world to the next. Either way, meh. |
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Murder is still worse. Rapists fit a very specific profile: usually narcissistic and power hungry. Most rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction and everything to do with power and dominance. |
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In terms of doing the most damage to a human being possible, rape. What I think is worse? Murder. Rape might ruin someone's life, but as long as you live, you still have choices that you can make, you can move on and become stronger. Murder is the death that was not intended for you, it is unnatural. Death will take everybody back into the void someday, and until then they have choices to make. Even if you take everything from a person, if you don't take their life then they can choose to move on, to keep living, and to keep experiencing. The purpose of life is to experience life, to live, to be. You can stop when you're dead. Until then, there is no good reason not to keep on living and to try and do so comfortably, and to try and make others' lives comfortable and enjoyable as well. I think that anybody that hurts others is just screwed up, they know not what they do. Anybody that kills others, even if they don't know what they are doing has permanently snuffed out the potential of the universe--creation, existence itself. That is the ultimate crime, in my eyes. You can do whatever you want to my body, I can take care of myself, I'll probably shoot you in the knee caps for it and cut your tongue out while making your existence a living hell, but I will eventually stop and give you a second chance to redeem yourself. To not give people a second chance, to not forgive, that is the ultimate crime. To kill. |
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Lets look at how these two things effect more than just the victim, but those that are friends with the victim as well. Murder will cease the victims existence. Assuming there is no afterlife the victim will no longer be in pain or suffer. The victim will not have to worry about the traumatic experience of dying because once the deed has been done the victim will not experience anything else. The victims family on the other hand and those that were close to the victim will be devastated by the loss of someone they care for. The death of the victim will be very traumatic to them and they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. If they cannot get over their loss then they may commit suicide due to grief. Those are all the possibilities I can think of for murder now lets look at rape. |
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Last edited by Daredevilpwn; 10-02-2014 at 10:22 PM.
I think you mean "popular" view, not "populist". Calling condemnation of murder "populist" is a bit weird; there's no political campaign to convince people that murder is worse than rape. If anything, comparing the reactions people have to "rape jokes" to the reactions people have to jokes involving murder, I get the impression that people, in general, give the outward impression of being more condemnatory of rape. Paedophilia, too. |
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I would rather be murdered than raped, but that's just my opinion! Though i think a murderer and a rapist pose equal threats to the society, the murderer has a high chance of being punished whereas a rapist will probably be let go by the judicial system. |
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I would rather by raped an keep living, even if I hate my life afterwards. I've been in many very fucked up situations and I don't think that can change. I want to fight too much, if someone tried to rape me it would almost be too perfect a situation to cut loose, and I really want to, but I don't personally think it's right so I will just keep living hoping it doesn't happen, and if it does, I'll handle it my way. |
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Last edited by snoop; 10-11-2014 at 01:28 AM.
It is easy to brag on the internet that you are capable of single-handedly fighting off a group of rapists carrying knifes and guns. Your 'temper' is not going to save you in a real life situation, especially because you are unprepared whereas the rapists have everything planned out. And why aren't you asking why people 'submit' and allow themselves to be murdered instead of fighting back? |
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Last edited by Anju; 10-11-2014 at 04:11 AM.
I wasn't bragging so much as stating that I'm either raped or dead anyway, and you clearly are unaware but I've got major anger issues and have some rather sociopathic tendencies (I've posted in the help section once or twice about it). It wasn't bragging so much as saying, welp I would be in an impossible situation either way so I'd try and kill them. |
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Fear has a tendency to make most people curl up and submit, the people that fight back are in the minority. If you can make someone feel powerless, they won't have the will to fight. They've tapped out before the would-be rapist has even laid a hand on them. Which is why I don't think violent sexual assault is any worse than a "non-violent" one (which is a silly concept, since forceful penetration is a violent act in and of itself). Whether you break bones or their mental will to fight back, you've done a great deal of harm. |
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Last edited by GavinGill; 10-11-2014 at 05:31 AM.
Interesting post Gavin, we had a string of serial-rapings going on where I was living just before moving. Truthfully, for what reason I couldn't say, I forgot that it is quite often the case where this shit happens and people just watch. Just some things I was wondering because I have a hard time putting myself in other people's shoes. In fact it's almost impossible, but I try because I want to understand what is going through a human beings mind when this stuff is happening. |
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