Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
I don't need sources. The burden of proof is on you.
I think that this shows that you "don't have a leg to stand on" here. Thank you for exposing one of the many weaknesses of the deniers...namely throwing out unsourced or weakly sourced claims.

Quote Originally Posted by Voldmer View Post
As mentioned earlier in the thread, back in the late seventies/early eighties the conjured monster was a new ice age.
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Merry pre-Christmas!
This was also addressed "earlier in the thread" by me:

Those warnings were mostly media driven. "1970s ice age predictions were predominantly media based. The majority of peer reviewed research at the time predicted warming due to increasing CO2." - SkepticalScience (survey of peer reviewed papers from 1965 to 1979 regarding warming or cooling of the Earth, found that 42 out of 49 predicted warming not cooling).

And as far as global warming...see the article "Survey finds 97% of climate science papers agree warming is man-made" (survey of over 12,000 peer reviewed science papers) in the Guardian and elsewhere. These are peer reviewed papers.

And a sincere early Merry Christmas to you. We can still agree on some lucid dreaming points I'm sure and I have in the past Vodmer.

Quote Originally Posted by Voldmer View Post
Much to the contrary, I'm very well informed about the subject. I have particular interest in the "hockey stick" hypothesis, which was either brought about by complete ineptitude, or by an outright desire to deceive.
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I have seen the whole development in the movement against capitalism over the past 40 years (yes, this is about capitalism - it was NEVER about the environment), and when I say that the replacement for "Climate change" is being produced right now, it would be safe for you to believe it. It will happen, because "climate change" doesn't work any more. Reality took its thunder away.
It is very hard to convince conspiracy theorists. At least we know why you feel so strong. For some reason 97% of scientist want to see the downfall of capitalism...is that what you are saying? As far as the hockey stick...that has been shot down: What evidence is there for the hockey stick?

Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
The original claim is the positive claim in question.
Again 97% of climate scientists agree global warming is happening and that it is man made.

This quick response will have to do for now...super busy.