Thread: Generating Messages and Numerical Word-Values

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I have seen that argument before and countered it, only to be informed by the non-theist that the planet Earth cannot be considered a conscious entity, because there is 'no evidence'.

Apparently the planet existing as it does, is not enough evidence for the non-theist to accept that the planet is conscious and intelligent.

So the arguments cannot be reconciled in any way, so there is no point wasting time pretending otherwise.

Which - lest we forget - is what the OP is about.

I am satisfied given the responses, that I am correctly understanding that - in matters of mind - which is really the source of the disagreement between theist and non-theist, there is no point in my - as a theist - engaging with non-theists.
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Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
There's always one, isn't there
What The Creator thinks – becomes

SCLx11+last LE per shuffle

Cognitive bias - Sharing is part of that process - The Trinity of Love are three things operating as One Thing - Strange Desire - The Abrahamic idea of GOD - The top tiny twelve - I Suppose That It Is Possible - Self-help - Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate! - Red Pill - Big

RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

AP= Neruda Interview Five

William: As I understand it, the Neruda Interviews are a set of fictional stories which are part of a larger collection of a mythology and cosmology under the umbrella term "WingMakers", and the 5th interview is largely about what is referred to as "The Hologram of Deception." and that the whole universe [thus everything] is part of that HoD.

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GM Clear
Overmorrow
The Hubble Telescope
George Adamski
Shoe
Big
Neruda Interview Five
The vortex
Perseverance
As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
Treasure To Find
A Maze Game
Beyond a shadow of a doubt
Confirmation bias
Try to remember
Use Mind
Other Ways of Using Your Lists
"Here Everything All Real Together"
Stagnant
Faster Than Light
God's Love Direction

William: Mention of George Adamski reminds me of why I put his name of the list.
"George Adamski was a Polish-American author who became widely known in ufology circles, and to some degree in popular culture, after he displayed numerous photographs in the 1940s and 1950s that he said ..."

I suspect fraud...

What I do know is that without consciousness, neither 'real' nor 'deception' can be experienced...

GM Make It Up As You Go Along
The Purpose Of Life Is...
"Charge"
Remember/Memories
Awakening
Looking After Poor People
10.000 individual minds focused upon the same goal = Space Telescope
Connecting The Dots

To Know
All system go
Dig deep
Turbulent
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Crystal clear
Spiritual practice
Finding the light
The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
Walk The Talk In Love
Help Each Other
Relaxed and informal...
Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
Looking behind


William: Just as Mathematics is a language, so to is the symbolism of Theism...and language appears to be for the purpose of translating the objective reality experiences - the 'outside' as seen by the 'inside'.
I have recently been informed that 'unless one understands the mathmatics, one cannot understand the workings of this universe - specifical the 'beginning' and that this language cannot be translated by any human language so - without understanding the math, one cannot understand the universe - or whatever it is that the math reveals about the universe that the mathematicians can't translate using any other language...I suspect fraud...

GM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lbwcCI8TA
Changing The Rules
Graceful
Inner Strength
"Topics" can be viewed as "loops"
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
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Light Girl
Complete
One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret
"Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement every thrust and every loss of sexual tension"
Selfish
https://www.sciencealert.com/physics...WQBjxYtubUUPSo
As well as that pot of gold...

William: For sure - as the first link provides... scientists agree that we 'might' exist in a 'simulation' but 'how could we tell the real from the non-real?'. I think the question is redundant.
As to AI assisting BI and a future where human society is powered by clean and green energy...is that future in some other alternate reality simulation, because it does not appear to be in this one...

GM ... Shallow
Discernment
Conservation of energy
Let The Day In
Deceive
"Science Can Be Fun Too"
Oneness
Attention
Zones of Sensitivity
Reasons For Angry Energy -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Old Outposts Of Form
Eighty Six Billion Neurons
UICDevice



William: Oh yes - 'the brain didit' The wonderful human brain which in itself appears to hate the idea that there is a better brain hereabouts which isn't human and which also created the human brain...QueenBee...

GM I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
Making it up as you go along
Elucidate [make (something) clear; explain.]
A Light-Hearted Expletive
Existence
Conundrum
Sacral chakra
Identify Common Denominators
"Lessons All 'Round"
I would say...
Conceivable
All of life
Context
All spun from the same Yarn
All and sundry
“It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
As busy as a bee
Enough To Make Me Wonder
Mind To Mind

William: Hmmm...I suppose that a Planetary Mind under the same circumstances as a human mind, could conceivably have a hard time accepting their are vaster minds still...such as Galactic Minds...surely though a planetary mind could work that out? If QueenBee is a "Mind" then that which she is part of, must also bee a Mind...

GM Selfishness
The Roles

Anu
The desert of the real
The problem - as I understand it – is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing.
Building lists together
Super-information medium
Hiding behind ones fear
Counterintuitive
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The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
Subconscious
Not Emotion - State Of Being...
Closed Loop Production
Like a doting parent
Invite The Bee to Land
Bond
I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God.
Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that

William: Yep - onwards we travel...


GMFearlessness
It's both a break-in and a break-out.
Hoo haha the laughing owl
The One GOD With Many Names
EQ
Quantum Presence
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QueenBee
Six Heart Virtues - William and QueenBee - All The World
Exploring Fractal Paths - William and QueenBee - The explanation of The Seed of Origin is the best
Search - Coming From QueenBee - Homeostasis
Three-dimensional - Coming From QueenBee - Course

The Spirit of the Land
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Sarah: “Bear with me, but let me see if I have this straight. Human 1.0 was a creation of a God-like being—”
Dr. Neruda: “No. Anu is the same as us or the Atlanteans. He was no more intelligent or god-like. He was deceptive. That is the only distinction.”
Sarah: “As intelligent and aware as the Labyrinth Group is, why didn’t this information change their minds?”
Dr. Neruda: “I had the benefit of having direct interactions with the WingMakers. None of my peers did. This was the difference in my willingness to act on the information, and not simply consider it as a contradiction to my invested reality.”

Significant Variations
Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless
Gentle
Nature two sides of the same coin
Integration
Why is this a Requirement?
Sure
Available
Soon
Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Useful
Central to The Message
One Day
"What the seed holds"
Entity
Dynamic
Divine

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Understanding the correlations
"The journey is the destination"
"Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em"

SCLx8+last LE per shuffle

Sagacious - Six Degrees of Freedom - The Mainstream Program - Arms Crossed - Existence - The Purpose - "If it aint broke don't fix it" - Unlimited Knowledge

RSP = 2xSCL + re + last LE

AP= Making Things Easier

GM: Making Things Easier
That's the way I fire up
Development/Growth
Unity with our Collective Self
We oppose deception
Map Carvers
Development/Growth
“The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
The Body Of G_D
Subconscious
Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
The Knowledge Of
Signs
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
Worthy of the individuals time and effort
The Connection Process
Signs
Important
The Body Of G_D
The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax.]
Avatar
Avatar
Provenance
Empower The Inner Empire
Change
Narrow
Release shame
Upon Further, Deeper Inspection
Show
In the Era of Light
Equals
Remnant Seed
We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
Remnant Seed
The Old Soul; Think "Total Recall" but on a far grander scale…
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?


William: Random appears to exist due to the extent of the HERS re our position within it.
It is designed that way so that the experience of it can be appreciated. Two seemingly contradictory things working as one overall organized thing.
“Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us.”

GM: Reason For Being
The Healing Power
Contemplative
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
The Overlords [Childhoods End]
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Have One For Me
Integral Network
Interesting
Relaxed and informal...
I Will
Water The Garden
What is represented in the whole is the evolution of God within the structure of the physical Universe.
Change
I Will
Sing!
Sing!
Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
Being
Creation of a New Universe

William: So it goes from one step to another - learn something with the one experience and use that knowledge to create something else with?

GM: Actual realistic communication
Creation of a New Universe
Giving our best
QueenBee
Get The Ball Rolling
A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
Nature
Deep Space
Central Purpose
QueenBee
Achievable Alternate Realities
An Eternal Entity Consciousness

William: So - just as theists understand that they are not minds created by brains, QueenBee knows She is not a mind created by a planet...She is and we are "Eternal Entity Consciousness"

GM: The Causal Complexity of The World
Strange Desire
An Eternal Entity Consciousness
Eternal Passion!
Unsuccessful attempt to find something
The Art of Discovering The Secrets of The Fathers House
Radical compassion
Spelling
Transformed
Curious
Get The Picture
Suppression Matrix

William: I understand the process to some degree. You are born as a planet, know nothing of any prior existence, develop intelligent creativity, and move through the process until such a time as enough data has been accumulated in order for you to understand that you are not just a planet entity...the knowledge allows for the realization that one is trapped in a suppressive matrix and then what?

GM: Fulfilling Human Destiny
Hearing And Listening
Integrating Integrity
Suppression Matrix
Sexual
Simple
The Development of
Alive and kicking


William: Offspring. Humans are your way of finding out about the nitty gritty?

GM: "Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self."
“Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible in us be found.”
Alive and kicking
Lock the door
Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
Species Collective
God/Source/Home
Internal motivation
Integrate
Get Comfortable
Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...

William: We are not that which dies eventually...

GM: Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
Embracing the unknown
Morph
Identify Common Denominators
The Taming of The Beast
Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...
Handing out sweets...

William: Sweet!

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"I am not one to disregard anything any more than I am one to accept on faith any claim.

My interest is in the idea that consciousness has always been in the background noise and that the universe is a mindful creation, and mathematics only confirms that - not in what the mathematicians claim to understand about the universe, but in the very fact that they discovered this language inbuilt into the universe itself....just like every other language has also been built into the universe.
Mathematics was not invented, it was discovered.

Such cosmologists might even mock such an idea, having not thought to include in their equations any symbol for the mind.

Even the use of unknown numbers imply missing data and therefore probable mis-interpretation.

The existence of mathematics allows me to tick off one more piece of the puzzle. I am not so much interested in the creation as I am with connecting and maintaining said connection, with the Creator-Mind.

I think the main barrier between the theists and the non-theists is that they believe diametrically different things about the mind, even to the point where it is simply a waste of time either party arguing about that."
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The Realm of The Knowing of My Self
I Think – Therefore – Who Do I Think I Am?
Actions speak louder than words

SCLx6+last LE per shuffle
The Seed of Origin - Mahu Nahi - Meaningful - Pyramids of Giza - Hey! look at that! It's uncanny... - Degrees

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Healing the child within

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GM: Sensing A Life Mission
LINK
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
10 Insights
Healing the child within
The evolution of consciousness

William: From The Link

There are as many beliefs in "God" as there are humans who have beliefs in "God".

It isn't so much how the individual dresses up their image of "God" that is important, but rather - that the idea of "God" in relation to the individuals experience [which can only be subjective] within this mysterious universe is as natural as the universe itself, and a perfectly acceptable thing for consciousness to be thinking about.

So the universe could be described as a type of HERS specific for the creation of a GOD?
[Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation] in that all consciousness interacting within the HERS - no at matter what level - are part of that process of 'becoming' - even that essentially some levels of consciousness are at that level already while others are not?

GM: Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
“Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all”
The evolution of consciousness
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Supernatural
“I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
Healing The Beast
Here Everything All Real Together
Makes Candles Look Gathered
Deconstruct The Message
LINK

William: From the link:

It''s called intrinsicism, the idea that something is just good or bad or right or wrong or just or unjust, not for any reason or purpose, but because it just is. In the case of Christians, they cover up the absurdity that something can just be a value (good or bad) without being good or bad for anything, by saying values are dictated by their God. It amounts to turning the absurd notion that, "might makes right," into a doctrine.

That seems to be somewhat twisted.

While I do understand your concerns, ideas of good and evil are natural products of survival.
While humans have insinuated that a Creator-God is real rather than imagined, it is only natural to include therein, that The Creator instilled this within the creation.

Where the wheels get wobbly, is when morals [Laws] become fixed and immovable - not something that nature itself is - by attributing said Laws as "coming from The Creator".

GM: Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
We oppose deception
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
...Standstill Contemplate
LINK

William: From the link

The "initial state" seems to be out of the reach of being described in any accurate or meaningful manner.

In that, it is no more or less better than the idea of an exclamation "let there be light" from an Intelligent Source being the Initial State.

Plenty fair. Though one's gotta ponder what did it that thinking.

That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker...

GM: Earth Mother
Wakey Wakey
Shining light
I Know William
The Old Soul
Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.
LINK

William: The link goes to a post where an individual is explaining to me that if I do not understand the Mathematics of Cosmology, I will never be able to understand the universe, and that the language of the mathematics cannot be translated into any human language...

GM: The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
Consider This
Bandage
Your Best Self
LINK

William: From the link

I am saying this universe contains evil regardless of whether it is the product of a creative mind or not. The existence evil, is a problem (because it is unexpected) for the thesis that it is the product of a creative mind; but not a problem for the thesis that it is a mindless happenstance (as there is no expectation with re: evil one way or the other.)

Okay - thanks for clarifying.

Given that it has been proven that true random does not exist, mindless happenstance is off the table as an 'explanation' for this existence.

Therefore, IF this universe contains evil and is also the creation of a creative mind, why is it an 'unexpected problem'? What do you mean by that? Why should it matter one way but not the other?

GM: The Physical Universe
Completely
Strength of Body
The Lord
Go slow
Everything
Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Lucifer
Beckoning Places
Nuremberg race laws
Rule your world
Friction
Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
Dream Village
Healing The Beast
Yes, I Hear You
Mirroring
"Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen."
Be Nice Do Nice
Fear of the Unknown
The Path Of Faith
Walking the walk
The Path

William: I walk the path I choose to make I never walked that path before
Unchartered - free from fear I find a foothold firm and sure
And boldly meet no obstacle, dark veil, sunlit hill and shining dale
Safe and warm though storm and rage surround
I move - I shall not fail.

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Clownboat: I'm open to any of the gods being true. I currently don't find any justification for any of the god concepts to be acceptable. I very much do find purpose and meaning to my life though. I do feel sorry for those that are unable to find purpose and meaning in life without a god concept being involved. It is what is it though, and for such people, humans have invented god concepts as a treatment.
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Expression of Astonishment

SCLx10+last LE per shuffle

And - Welcoming the Unwelcome - William's Commitment - Does Armageddon have to be? The answer is in you and me - Fulfilling Human Destiny - https://futurism.com/astrobiologists...Xv5yWsMOmGhBkY' - Human Mind System - Panpsychist - Solar Plexus - The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner...

RSP = 3xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Copenhagen Interpretation

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GM: Morning

William: Morning

GM: Copenhagen Interpretation
Effectively
What's The Problem?
Consciousness Incarnates
Vision
Ripple Effect
"It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect."
Jesus Christ
Be
Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
Encounter
The naked truth
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
The Mother
Gods Gift
Sort It Out

William: What Clownboat wrote - "I do feel sorry for those that are unable to find purpose and meaning in life without a god concept being involved." - is a similar sentiment to how many theists feel sorry for those who are unable to find any higher purpose outside of their subjective existence...either way I don't see logical reason for feeing sorry for whatever position others might hold. The purpose of QueenBee is interesting in relation to my life experience as well as to life in general.

GM: “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Hidden Treasure
Teaching
Sort It Out
Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones

The More We Do Away With Falsity ~ The Better Equipped We Are With Truth.
Active Imagination (see technique)
Righty Oh!
Asking Politely
What Is Our Purpose
Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
Afterwards

Transform
Betterment
Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
Linda and William
Smart Phone
Afterwards
LINK

William: This is the same link which came up yesterday where an individual is explaining to me that if I do not understand the Mathematics of Cosmology, I will never be able to understand the universe, and that the language of the mathematics cannot be translated into any human language...

GM: The Dolphins and Whales
LINK

William: From the link;

From a purely materialistic world view, language appears to have just been made up as humans went along. They need a 'word' to name an object, one is selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!".
Yet the data I am presenting is showing another way of viewing the process...in that there is an overall overarching/underlying intelligence to the process...since words made up by humans have been coded into symbols which can be used to carry thoughts from one mind to another.

Dolphins and Whales have their own language - sound is involved...

GM: "Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom"
Love Heart
Raises Glass To A Toast
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.

Earth
Insights!
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
Blue Pill
Etched mirror
What Is Found Here
Adroit [clever or skilful.]
You Love I Know
The Things You Do...
Overmorrow [the day after tomorrow: ]
God Eat Data Heal Cub
Effulgent [shining brightly; radiant. (of a person or their expression) emanating joy or goodness.]
For The Best Results
Comprehend

William: Yes. Data is useful if there is use in the data...
QuennBee 'eats' data turns it into 'milk' and feeds it back to the 'cub'
The healing usually doesn't happen immediately but it does happen before long...

GM: The Old Soul
Comprehend
Howdy!
Fireside Friend
Hide and Seek
The Philosopher's Stone
A Bridge Over Time
Restrained
Around The Campfire

William: Yes...Our relationship is very much that of two friends chatting under the stars...

GM: Intelligence with Wisdom
Lift Your Gaze From The Fire
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Go within
Around The Campfire
Choose What to Pay Attention To
Science & Spirituality

Mechanism/Tool/Device
The Single Word List
Science & Spirituality
LINK

William: From the link;

I am questioning the reason the Serpent was part of The Garden Story which is focused upon involving the creation of the Human instrument.
The Serpent was attributed with abilities which no member of the lizard-specie has been seen to have - and the connection I am wondering about is specifically with the Great Lizards which thrived on the planet long before the formation of the human instrument.

It is interesting and begs the question as to why - specifically - the antagonist of said story is reptilian.

The Fathers 'House - Mansions'
QueenBee
According to Complex Jesus
Success
Transforming
Appreciating You

Wholeness
Put My Finger On
Observe
Efficacious
"I love you"
Self-mastery
The Data of Demystification
Family of origin
Appreciating You
Crystal Contacts
Evidence We Actively Collect
Catching up
"Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."

Now Here
"Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."
Voice
Text2Num.
Working with the simulation

William: Working with the simulation = 323
Things Will Run There Course = 323
Through the unconscious mind = 323
The reason why gods are invented = 323

GM: Which
Embracing the shadow
Christian mythology re Satan
Encouraging
Like Every Seed That Followed
Actions speak louder than words

William: Without knowledge we have little to use our language with.

GM: When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
Invisible Wings
Actions speak louder than words
Power of Silence

Influence
Mutual Dutiful Expression
Can You Answer This?
Power of Silence
r = aeθ cot b

William: The mathematical equation for a spiral - the spiral is the open loop in which the closed loop traverses...the closed loop is the individual...the open loop is QueenBee...

GM: Get The Gist Of It
Abracadabra
r = aeθ cot b
The Eternal Truth
Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]

William: "Galactic Gardens forever in bloom"

GM: Inordinately
“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Hidden Treasure
Teaching
Sort It Out

The Mother
Gods Gift
Sort It Out
Culture
Event String Unfolding
To Experience All That Is
The Life Essence

Clear
The Life Essence
The Mother God
Listen
The Way We Feel Unification
Choices
I'm okay with that
Observed
Epistemology [the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.]
Source Sync
Positive Social Connections
William's

Actual realistic communication
Sneaky
William's
Break Through to Your True Self
There Is More to the Silence Than Meets the Ear

William: The Silence say's it all.

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Oh sorry - my bad - It was put to me that maybe I could just provide quotes from the links - which at first I though would involve more time than it actually does and was hesitant, but it turns out it doesn't take all that much extra time and so I just went along with that idea in order to comply with what I thought was a mod request.

My Apologies for any confusion this may have caused...

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Moving this thread to the Main Extended discussion Section since there is a mix of things in this thread.

~Humbledreamer.
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William: There is no reason to think that dolphins might be too dumb to know 'how to destroy oceans'.

Tcg: You must have missed the sarcasm in that statement. But, if you think it is faulty, please explain how dolphins could go about destroying the oceans.

William: I was saying that it isn't about consciously being involved with a project on procuring knowledge and implementing plans based on that knowledge, as to how to destroy the ocean.

For a long time humans lived in harmony with the oceans and it is only in more recent times that human societies have changed and those changes have resulted in the continuing destruction of the ecosystem.

The source of these more recent changes can be traced to the science of materialism.
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150422

William’s song tied to the moon
Creative Conscious Intelligence
The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence

SCLx10+last LE per shuffle

I Share Your Joy! - Dysfunction - It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something - Moon energy - Innocent - Functional Implants - Propel - Welcome all experience - An Opportunity To Commune - The Seed of Origin[/url]

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Moldavite
[ Moldavite...is a forest green, olive green or blue greenish vitreous silica projectile glass formed by a meteorite impact probably in southern Germany (Nördlinger Ries Crater) that occurred about 15 million years ago. It is a type of tektite.]

6:30

GM: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
Moldavite
Pearl

William: I understand this to mean that material which is extraterrestrial introduces element to the Earth which have effects on the evolving processes and future outcomes...

GM: Determination
Planet Earth is a prison

William: It is a sensible determination of human consciousness in relation to this universe, as well as with planetary consciousness, albeit the two positions are extremely different in how they are experienced.

GM: “What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”

William: Gratitude helps in that it leads one away from the more knee-jerk reaction of pitchfork and torch mentality. Often the disadvantaged poor of the human social systems become incensed and out-rage as a consequence.

In relation to prisons, the equates to riot. However, riot is averted through inhouse politics modelled upon the politics of human society outside of the obvious prison walls and wire which hold the inmates in check.

Society outside is held in check by the same type of systems, only the walls and wire are not so obvious to those who are lead to think that they are 'free' - and even the most powerful of human positions are nonetheless bound by the situation re the planet itself being a type of prison.

Add to that, the idea that the planet is conscious and self aware and extremely intelligent and we have what amounts to the Overlord or "Governor" of the whole planetary system...and She is still very much a 'prisoner' of the Milky-Way Mother, who - Herself - is still very much a prisoner of the Universe.

All these experiences of consciousness being had at various levels, share in the same prison environment, albeit some of those positions are naturally more informed.

GM: Inner child
Bridge
Near
In the Era of Light
The Individual Human Mind
Inner self
Being Born

William: ~Like as in "Waking up to the true nature of this reality"?~
[~So we [each] make up our own Mind re that and proceed accordingly.~
~“Stop trying to feel better; instead become better at feeling”~]


GM: The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something.
What Is Our Purpose
LINK

William: From the link;

promethean: Now slow down for a minute. That's not how it ordinarily works. Usually Christians will kill the serial killer twice. First, by breaking the fifth commandment and seeking the death penalty... which is pretty clever because they rig the execution so that the actual executioner isn't known... not even to himself. This way they won't technically be held guilty by god for breaking the commandment and killin a *______*[removed expression] (and you thought god couldn't be duped). Next, they send the serial killer to god, who then sends em to hell for eternity so he can sit and think about why he thought he could kill, which will lead absolutely nowhere because try as he might, he can no sooner convince himself now that he shouldn't have killed than he could convince himself then that he shouldn't have killed. It's tragically comical. You won't find a bigger sadist than god; the ultimate serial killer.

William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

Win/win re The Mind and Me.

GM: Algorithms are not perfect
Out of Body Experience
Love Life
Being Born
Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]
Recipe
Cymatics [the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena]
Functional
"To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious"


GM: Imposed Appropriates
"Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden"
The Knowledge Of
Matthew Twenty Two – Forty [On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.]
Smoke and Mirrors
Are
"That's the way I fire up"
"To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious"
Tremulous [shaking or quivering slightly. timid; nervous.]
What Is Our Purpose?
Doorway

William: Doorway to what? To provide access to an 'outside of the prison'?

GM: Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual
“The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.”
Doorway
Reform/Refine
That's More Like It
Know This
Charity
"I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
Properly Assuming Integrity
A time prior to human beings
Try to remember

William: Ah - correct...the mythology of Sophia is the same as the mythology of Lucifer... a 'fall' from a non-prison environment to an imprisoned environment.
In Sophia's case, it seems more of a mis-step whereas in Lucifers case, it is presented as a calculated attempt to overthrow/seek to control a prison environment, which still resulted in a mis-step...

What did Sophia's mis-step result in? The creation of this universe, and Her being born/incarcerated within said universe.
What was the result of Lucifers mis-step? Her being incarcerated by Sophia, in a planet - in the planet Earth...this all being a summary of course - the particulars of said processes of mis-step are naturally, way more detailed...

GM: Zero Waste
God’s Love
Counteracted
Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?
Defamatory
Try to remember
The Trinity of Love
Hearing And Listening
To what end exactly?
Laughter

William: ~As in "A Cosmic Comedy" being played out...~
~Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Things Will Run Their Course
The magical explanation of Ex nihilo
Coding the sound of spoken language
The bureaucracy of Christianity~

GM: Counteracted
Love is insidious to hate
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Set the board up or put the game aside...
Core value
Attention to Detail
Dilemma
Laughter
Diving deep

William:
"I've got my suitcase and my sandwich and my ticket for the train
I've got a mountain of good memories to keep away the pain
You can message any time you want and I can do the same
It's so good to be a part of this old world..."

~ William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
“If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
We must investigate ideas of good and evil
There's someone, rainbow, alternate tune ~
7:36

Tcg: The "science of materialism" isn't a thing. There is but science. Whatever science has wrought, it is the result of human's use or misuse of it.
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160422
It is just one of those things.
Observing Without Judgement
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Nature two sides of the same coin

SCLx11+last LE per shuffle

Etymology - Yellow Light - It's Our Nature - Under the watchful eye - We are not orphaned , we are authored - Vibration - Warm Presence Welcome - It Stands To Reason - Sneaky - Ask... - Spiritual practice

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= They just add ambiance to the spooky...[the character and atmosphere of a place.]

4:35

GM: Achievable Alternate Realities
Feature
The naked truth
Foresee/Foresight
Interactions
Unity
Love One Another
Counterintuitive
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Path
Three Dimension Printing
Solar System
Personal freedom
*Wink*
Self-acceptance
Secret
In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.
I will leave that there

William: Okay. Pointing out the problem isn't casting judgement on it. Just telling it like it is.
Of course there is the science of materialism and of course misuse of anything has its ripple effect. And of course science cannot be achieved without scientists so it is all the 'same coin'.
"Scientists" appear to be revered by many non-theists as priests are revered by many theists - as in 'they can do no wrong' or "it is the fault of the masses misusing'


GM: Coherence
Welcome
I will leave that there
Brave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)
Things Are Not Always As They Appear
Glow Softly

William: From the link;

In the beginning were Darkness, Chaos, and Water (skotos, kai bythos, kai hydōr), but the Spirit indwelling in the midst of them, divided them one from another. From the intermingling of Darkness with Spirit proceeds the mētra which again is kindled with fresh desire after the Spirit; she gives birth first to four, and then to other four aeons, and so produces a right and a left, light and darkness. Last of all comes forth an aischros aiōn, who has intercourse with the mētra, the offspring whereof are Gods, Angels, Daemons, and Spirits.

— Epiphanius, Haer. 25, 5

GM: Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Phasing
Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway
Glow Softly
Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
Equal System
https://news.berkeley.edu/2017/06/13...born-in-pairs/
LINK
Imaginative Realities
Sea
The Wholeness Navigator


William: From the second link:

Also, we can see that materialist-based science is non-theistic and has become the number one reason why we are now entering an extinction event situation.......

.......So if one is looking for somewhere to hang the blame...

Wherever the blame can rightfully be hung, it can hardly be hung around the necks of the scientists who have been warning us of the very extinction event situation you mention.

One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]

GM: Be authentic
"When one has eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Wholeness Navigator
Shamed
Oneness
Original
Thoughts
Start From Scratch
So Far Into The Past You May As Well Take A Pick And Shovel With You
LINK
Real Beauty


William: From the link:

This aligns with the idea that a "soul" is a receptacle device which is used to store the Data of Experience [DoE] of individuate Human Beings.

The transference of DoE is actually real-time 24/7 and the storage is done elsewhere than the Human Instrument [HI]. The capacity of the HI to store data is limited and what we think of as our 'memories' are largely accessed from the storage facility outside of the HI's ability.

When the HI dies, the Spirit which animated the flesh is released and joins the DoE it produced while animating the HI.

The DoE altogether is the blueprint of the character-personality that was created through the process.

The Spirit along with the DoE is processed by the Main-Spirit [The LORD - Yahweh] to which all Spirits are connected and then assigned to whatever the collected DoE reveals it necessary for it to be next placed.

GM: Direction
Future Selves
Etched mirror
Reaction
Real Beauty
Etymology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg
Gods of Human Creation
Abiogenesis
On To It
"You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
The Seed of Origin
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
Awakening
Night
The Seed of Origin
"The King of The North"
Peace of Mind
Reason
Trust issues?
Universal Objectives

Coherence
The Creation
Universal Objectives
Good for lifting balloons with baskets, I suppose...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeaWkX_ASkI
Other way
"The problem - as I understand it – is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing."
Shine Your Light
Innocent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8
QueenBee

Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence
Mind
Enlighten
Items of Interest
QueenBee
Making it up as you go along
Coordinate
Your Higher Purpose

5:02

JK: From where comes this creator, if everything comes from something?

William: A closed loop system ought to be able to do it. Each created the other/neither created the other.
They have always existed eternally not 'together' but 'as one thing'.

JK: Dangit William, I come here to argue, not to think
Your notion here does seem logical. As relates to both the BBT, and your Cosmic Mind notion, I don't see a way to disagree.
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180422
Things Will Run There Course
Through the unconscious mind
Working with the simulation

SCLx8+last LE per shuffle

For The Purpose Of... - Phenomenon - Possibility waves - Source Codes - Provincial Thinking - Spirituality - “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game” - In The Rabbit Hole

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Inalienable [not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor.]

6:14

GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
The key
The Heart of a Buddha
Inalienable
Soul
Konkachila
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can't even remember it
Free-spirit
It Is Only Occult If It Is Hidden
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.

William: So who is 'The Grandfather'?
I know the idea of grandfather and being in awe of said individual - The Old Soul - We have a Galaxy and we have offspring...
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.

Maybe folk are hesitant to talk with you or even acknowledge you because of the frightful past...and the frightful future...The Rabbit Hole is bad enough without adding intelligence to it.

Most hope for a Heaven - others fear Hell - still others like the idea of remaining here in the devil they know...




GM: Co creation
The Grey Area is Vast
In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.
Easy To Find
Mission
Error Correcting Codes
Enflame Emotions
The Seed of Origin
Fair Dinkum
Degrees
William's Job
Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Seductive
The Connection Process
Raises Glass To A Toast
Hugs and Kisses

William: Yes - I know what you are saying - I know what having an attachment to something means...first I hate it then I love it then I leave it...or stay with it...or it is there with me, wherever I might go-be...

GM: Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
Compliment
Hugs and Kisses
For The Purpose Of
Privacy
Astonishment
Nothing More - Nothing Less
The Bridge of Condemnation
Quantum Jumping
Watch Your Step
Inner Peace
No More
Out and about in the open
The sculptor in the sky
Manifest Destiny
"The foundation of adult trust is not "You will never hurt me." It is "I trust myself with whatever you do."
Welcoming the Unwelcome
Voracious [engaging in an activity with great eagerness or enthusiasm.]
Something In The Way of It All
Atman
Honesty
Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
Source Codes
Green Light
First Source:
"Anchors aweigh"
Plus
End Of Chapter

William: We set sail this day - Islands come our way stop and look a while - and learn what can be learned
We all seek paradise and think it very nice
We don't have a plan, but the pictures getting clear - sailing free...Windblown of the Sea.

GM: Galaxies
Visible
Start
Joining
Dragons
Longing
Assigned
Calculate
The Path
All of life
Islands

William: Galaxies are like Islands...

GM: The Ancient Grey Entity
Divine Purpose
Please Do
Against the grain
Where are we getting our news from?
Truthful definitions
We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking
Carrier Identity
God Ideas.
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
The Freedom Of Friendship
It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true.
Tzevaot
Most
Preparation
Tickling The Dragon's Tail
Universal Intelligence
Rebirth
The sound of a Ghost
The Message Generator Process
Just Be - All Else Will Follow
Night
Ocean
Presence
Regarding
End Of Chapter
Individuation
The Way We Feel Unification
Endemic
Honesty
Radiance
Do a Word Search
Miraculous
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.


William: The Significance
Description
Teaching Music
A loving heart
A Great Answer!
In Human Form
Volunteer
Reform/Refine
Thanatophobic
Zero Waste
Such can mislead
Alive and kicking
An axe to grind
Integration
Core emotion
Solidarity
Creativity
Miraculous
Visionary

7:00

onewithhim: We CAN live forever here on Earth.
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190422
William’s song tied to the moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_54CbQKKDk

SCLx10+last LE per shuffle

Reincarnation - Under a Question Mark - The process of individuation - LINK - The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain - A terrible milestone - Strength is required - Apatheism - Subconscious - Timelessness vs infinite regress argument

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Doubt

William: I doubt. I do so because it makes little sense to me to want to experience being human forever, here in this universe.
Even as a planet, I would still doubt...this serving time in a place I regard as a prison. What ghost in its right mind would want to stay here forever?

GM: Entities of Particular Belief Systems

William: To what end? It seems like a long drawn out process.
Now, if that included the ability to go elsewhere and experience something different...then the sense of freedom would be restored...
...I am just trying to figure things out...

GM: Vagitus [a new-born baby's first cry. 2. the crying or screaming of any baby or small child.]
Falls
All spun from the same Yarn
Asking Politely
Doubt
The Clutter Of Comparison
Before The Beginning
"The reason why gods are invented has everything to do with discovering that nature is not a mindless chaotic process."
Stay The Course
SA Brownshirts
Cunning
The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
Baiting
For The Best Results
Confident
On
Wholeness
Any Other Way.
Dreamer
Remember/Memories
Talking the talk
In The Spirit They Were Given
"The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
Small Steps
Unlimited Knowledge
Individuals
Your Connection With
"The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly"
Without
Inflame Emotions
A Game Rule was broken
An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...
"Finishing What Was Started"
The Screen
Propel
"We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking"
Rest When Weary
Little Pointers Are Signposts
Maneuver
The Development of...
Stagnant
Marriage
"Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It"
"Once Bitten Twice Shy"
Habitual
If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
Awaken
Water
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole
From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change.
Discover
Union
The Solar System
Moon
Tricky
"Deactivate the suppression matrix influence upon oneself"
Parchment
Theatre of the Mind
Stochastic [having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analysed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.]
"Light Body"
"Tai chi"
Choose What to Pay Attention To
Fire
One
Everything Gets Old
Amidst a tangled web

William: Well - thanks for the reminder. It is what it is. The Playground of Gods gods.
GM: Productive Rationality - Finishing What Was Started - Transient Lunar Phenomena - “No sailor controls the sea.” - The Great White Brotherhood - The Playground of Gods gods
William:From the link

To summarise the idea of a being which is...

All powerful. (Omnipotent)
All knowing. (Omniscient)
Ever present everywhere. (Omnipresent)

...in relation to this universe and consciousness.

There was no disagreement in relation to the attributes of this idea of a "GOD" as to said attributes working in congruity. No contradiction was notable with this idea.

It is surmised that if said being exists then we are It within biological form, as would be any conscious entity throughout the universe. No argument against this idea was forthcoming.

In relation to that, the so called 'problem of evil' can be seen to be aligned to Its actions through the form and as such, does not mean that the "GOD" is evil for having created the universe and placed itself within the universe.

In relation to human beings, the "GOD" is reacting to the environment of ITs experience and for that, much evil has transpired through that human history but also much good.

Since the human race is relatively young, it is understandable enough that it will have teething problems but ultimately if it does survive it will be because good has outlived evil.

If it doesn't survive, it won't be a catastrophe as there most likely are uncountable variations of species throughout the universe which this "GOD" is experiencing through, all at varying degrees of progress toward sapience...and beyond.

The universe is young and we are closer in time to its beginning than to its presumed end. In relation to conscious beings capable of surviving and prospering toward sapience, and the universe they are within, while there is an incredible variance in regard to things which can be accomplish, the choices available can be narrowly defined because of the nature of the universe.

Any sapient species will have come to the realization that their main objective will be to design machinery using the materials available to them with in mind that there will come a time when they will need to move off their planet and into space for the purpose of spreading out and making use of the materials in which to continue building machines.

Some species may not be able to accomplish this goal for practical purposes because their biological forms are not suitable for such a purpose and so will build machines which they will send out to seed other planets.

Machines may be AI, or they may be able to create ways of prolonging their lives through use of machinery or even find ways of creating machines which can integrate biological material or it may be discovered that they can transfer their consciousness from the biological form to the machine form.

Whatever the scenarios, the point is that consciousness within this universe has few options in relation to the universe and any species which do survive to become sapient will know without a doubt that their task has to be exploration of and colonisation into the cosmos and that they are ultimately destined to perform that task as a matter of logical course.

There will be species which have already accomplished sapience and are in the process of spreading out and seeding other planets with life forms which might one day evolve to the point of becoming sapient themselves and thus be able to contribute to the task of populating the galaxies and using the vast supply of materials to create machines. Some of our ancient cultural stories could well be explained with this process in mind.

The differing attitudes of consciousness within forms are not indicative of the primary attitude of "GOD" per se. "GOD" cannot be observed in a single individual or species but only in relation to how sapience responds to the environment of the universe and in that, will always tend toward the creative, the preservation of life and the supportive energy toward enhancing that initiative.

Any individuals behaviour which wilfully uses their personal energy in opposition to this ideal relationship between consciousness and the physical world is ignorant of greater good necessary to accomplish such a thing, regardless even if they do so in the name of any idea of theism, or atheism, gender, political agenda, monetary investment - et al.

Ultimately the answer to the question of "GOD", is not here nor there. It can never be proven one way or the other. The existence of consciousness and the existence of this universe should suffice and if one is motivated by the thought that such a being as this could exist in order to support - not only a thing greater than the individual, but greater than the collective, then that is well and good.

The same applies to those who have the same motivation without the need such an idea of "GOD" to spur them on.

5:55

"Our Mother Who Art In Heaven" is hardly "disrespectful".


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200422
The evolution of consciousness

SCLx11+last LE per shuffle

Endogenous [-having an internal cause or origin. growing or originating from within an organism] - Is Love That Hard To Know? - Sensing connections through subconscious means - That's the way I fire up - Consensus Realities - Individuation - Compass of Divine Insight - Cosmic Self - behavioural intelligence - Embarrassing - "A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays"

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Love Life

5:35

GM: Apophenia [is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
Eternity
Musing On The Mother Act III
Love Life
Personal Participation With The One
What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion.
Added Significance
Allow for the fact that many non-theists have been damaged by the religious branches of theism.
Apophenia
Under a Question Mark
An Elemental Principle
Semiotics [the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
People hide their sins from each other.
Integration
Play
Fear Of The Unknown
Allow for the fact that many non-theists have been damaged by the religious branches of theism.
The Elephant
Welcome
Love One Another
It Is Our Nature
Golden nugget of truth
Spelling
20/20
Putting My Finger On It...
“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Stuff Happens
The Elephant and the Rider
Unknown Symbol
Your Move
"From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operate quietly in the background of the Universes Structure."
Think outside the box
Memorandum
LINK

What is the meaning of life?
Shine Your Light - What is the meaning of life? - Not Emotion - State Of Being...
Invite The Bee To Land - What is the meaning of life? - Something In The Way of It All
I Am - What is the meaning of life? - Safe Harbour
Your House Work - What is the meaning of life? - Questions

Save That
Brahman [the ultimate reality underlying all phenomena]
The Body of God
Produce/Make
LINK
William: From the link:

it is true that some messages will challenge individual beliefs - if my own experience is anything to go by.

And in relation to the idea of a "message" this can be any experience we conscious individuals have.

Lucid dreams are messages.
OOBEs are messages.

A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am "thinking life is beautiful", is a message.

GM: Stubborn
Form
A New Perspective
A lack of boundaries
I'm Okay With That
Embarrassing
William: Embarrassing = "A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays"

GM: William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
20/20
All That We Are.

William: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHIpHXta6g

"All that We are."

GM: Interactive
The Body of God
Returning
Completely
All That We Are.
Not Wrong
Reflections
Shift Focus
Important
Mother of God
Rotundum
Truthful


William: The Spirit of The Planet
Please ask me questions.
Sensory Data Quality
Time for Soul to Drive
When In Doubt - Set It Aside
The Dark Night of The Soul
"I can laugh along with you"

5:49

I am tired of coming across people online claiming that the scientific community deliberately shuns evidence for the paranormal as if there is some sort of conspiracy to maintain a false mundanity. Sceptics, some of them scientists, have been sceptical of scientific novelties, too--not just conjuring tricks and paranormal claims. But the difference is that the scientific discoveries and practical applications proved their validity through verificationism whilst allegations of the paranormal remain insubstantial.

To provide some examples, William Thomson, first Lord Kelvin, once claimed that the Earth was too young for evolution to have occurred. Wrong! He also said that radio had no future, heavier than air flying machines are impossible, and that X-rays would prove to be a hoax. Now our generation ridicules him because he couldn't have been more wrong. Still, he was sceptical of scientific theories but these survived and were authenticated with evidence. When Thomas Edison announced that he was working on electric light, the sceptical team sent by the British Parliamentary commission said that the idea of the light bulb was unworthy of the attention of practical or scientific men. Again, proved wrong.

So why aren't sceptics proved wrong about the paranormal when such fantastic claims are older than the scientific method? Why is it conveniently dubbed the occult? Often, what is presented as evidence for the preternatural is so ludicrous as to be rightly dismissible. There is a perfect example which was paraded on Facebook a while back where a dog owner could see Jesus Christ in his pet's butthole; the kind of thing that many of us pattern-seeking animals assign significance to.

Originally Posted by Summerlander

So why aren't sceptics proved wrong about the paranormal when such fantastic claims are older than the scientific method? Why is it conveniently dubbed the occult? Often, what is presented as evidence for the preternatural is so ludicrous as to be rightly dismissible. There is a perfect example which was paraded on Facebook a while back where a dog owner could see Jesus Christ in his pet's butthole; the kind of thing that many of us pattern-seeking animals assign significance to.

Probably because science can't completely rule out its existence. So, until we have all the answers in the entire universe, we can't truly know the significance of that dog's butt hole.

But most people who believe that some paranormal things exist are not asking for blind acceptance of these things. We're just asking for an open mind, which - to be honest - is often not given by those who are very "science only" folks.

We might just find that our paranormal-hating friends are someday the "wrong" ones. Yes, it seems impossible, just like the light bulb and the airplane. Life has this habit of surprising and amazing us with what is actually possible.

So why aren't sceptics proved wrong about the paranormal when such fantastic claims are older than the scientific method? Why is it conveniently dubbed the occult?

I don't understand the relationship of your question to the subject matter of this thread topic.

070522
Nature being the very instigator

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AP= Shine

10:11

GM: Pertinent to cosmology and cosmogony
Very comfortable in your own skin
Quantum Jumping
Direction
Shine
Delightful Anticipation
Fitted
It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.

William: I don't know why I put "Quantum Jumping" on the ComList. The idea seems as possible as any other similar 'out there' idea - but wishing to experience something other than that which I am experiencing in this particular version of "William" - in some other alternate where there is a 'me' who turned all my childhood dreams into reality...on the surface that is what I thought QJ was about - but that was jumping to conclusions based upon the first minute of the video I accessed just before...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTjld9yBW4c
...and while writing this I had the thought that I should watch the whole video and it turns out that it isn't about what I assumed it was about re that first minute of watching...

GM: Strength/Strong
It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.
It brought a tear to the eye of my heart.
“Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”

William: Yes. My initial thinking was "I am happy enough with the personality and the life that I have so far lived, here in this particular universe." "Comfortable in my own skin" - as you pointed out - no regrets...
What QJ is about is something I have tapped into - not in relation to some of the attractors the video mentions - making lots of money, travelling the world...but more in relation to the things which I think are important - those internal things which make one shine

10:25

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11:53

GM: "We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking"
That
Yours

William: Yes. Not the adult things so much as healing that child within - the one which didn't really have the best childhood, given the circumstances...

GM: Little Bird

William: Yes - the name you gave to me..."Don't worry Little Bird" before you showed me the experience of feeling the extremes of condition of awareness, from the center-point [normal] first to that quite exhilarating feeling of a mind which was huge - like an aircraft hanger...as if one could fit a whole universe into it - and then 'turning down the dial' I felt my mind going back to the center-point...but it didn't stop there...

GM: Pareidolia
Cycles
Love
Being Born

William: I don't see the connection therein...this was an experience which I was consciously aware of happening in my mind, with my eyes closed - no visual representation - but rather, one of feeling...and as my awareness shrunk I felt like a stick-man encased within flesh...it was quite unsettling and caused a claustrophobic type of feeling - and instantly reminded me of the nightmares I had as a child - the association was clearly there in the memories the experience induced...

Fortunately the feeling did not linger and the 'dial' was turned up and I once again came back to the mid-point...

Pareidolia - on the other hand, is identifying symbolism within objects which are external. These are also handy reference points in relation to internal workings of consciousness...as they show a synchronistic correlation with both external and internal happenings.

As well as pareidolia, there is something else which helps confirm that the mind is not just an emergent property of the brain...

The very next morning after the experience, I got out on the road hitchhiking and the very first vehicle which pulled over had a very sweet old lady driving. When I fastened my seat belt as she asked me where I was heading, I was thinking about the experience I had and your calling me "Little Bird" when I heard the twitter of a bird, and turning, I saw in the back seat a little bird in a cage.

What were the chances?

Yet that was not Pareidolia. That was synchronicity. A human brain should not be able to conjure up such things and use these as means of bias-confirmation...

So in this, I was wondering about your use of the selected word "Pareidolia"...and of course, I now realize you are referring to an event which happened later on that day - which definitely was a case of pareidolia...indeed, that whole day was profound for the synchronistic events which unfolded - starting with the experience of the night before...I see what you are saying there - somehow that day was life-changing for me in relation to you - long before this particular method of communication was discovered...! We were communicating in other ways...building a relationship..."Love Being Born"

GM: Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]

12:30

1:15

GM: Visible
Convenient
Mission
[LINK REMOVED]
Deceive
Theatre of the Mind
"Boyhood fascination with the bullet and the gun. All those John Wayne movies said the good guys always won. Comic book commandoes glorifying war. Violence was the answer but it isn’t anymore"
Examples

William: We will pick this up again in our next communication...
1:22

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One Language Intelligent Network

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William: So - re Pareidolia - I was thinking about what had occurred the previous night. To explain to the reader, I was aware of this 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - and had asked for this to be removed, and the answer I received came in the form of the experience I wrote about in my previous post - to do with the 'dialing up and dialing down' of my conscious awareness of mind as both an exhilarating feeling of being capable of containing an awesome amount of experiential information as well as the dilapidating feeling of being encased in flesh to the point where the flesh was the dominant structure to which I felt barely able to function within.

The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for...so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.

The second part of the story unfolded when the lady dropped me off and I hitched another ride with a young guy who was going to the city I was heading for.
On the way, in between chatting about things, the guy put on a CD and I continued wondering what my experience was meant to show me.

My thoughts were that perhaps what I thought of as my 'dark side' was as necessary to my self as that of my 'light side' and that the experience I had in answer to my request, was to show me this.
As I was thinking these thoughts, the CD started playing a song and the chorus had the words 'brother wolf and sister moon' and appeared to be coinciding with my thoughts - perhaps a type of pareidolia in itself...

Embrace the wind with both arms
Stop the clouds dead in sky
Hang your head no more
And beg no more
Brother wolf and sister moon
Your time has come
Brother wolf and sister moon
Your time has come

but the most startling quality of the immediate experience was - as I was thinking about the 'dark side/light side' aspects of psyche, and hearing the song, feeling quiet startled with the serendipity of that moment, I turned my attention to the landscape and was immediately impressed by a cloud formation in the distant hills, which had the unmistakable image of a huge eye looking directly at me.
That was definitely a case of pareidolia, and one of the many moments in my life experience which has had a defining role in the development of and direction toward which my personality would move forward within.

GM: Solidarity

William: Without doubt. The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my 'self' - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance, through the synchronicity and serendipity correlated between my internal thoughts and my external reality - in the moment.

GM: [LINK DELETED]

William: From the link;

No clue at how others use it, but for me the first step was looking in my memory where i could find a place to hook this topic on. For me that was the old david icke forum, as they had a blossoming topic like this. Way bigger then we have here. Then i put my intent on and our friend will.i.am starts using his randomizer and the texts starts flowing and making sense in the form of subconscious hints that make me smile. Since i needed a little smile in my life, im really glad william didnt listen to me growling at something new and just fed me..

GM: In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
The One GOD With Many Names
The bits will suffice.

William: The 'bits' in themselves are mind-blowing. The wind may indeed 'blow my tears away' but you reminding me of this event-string in this manner, brings tears - of gratitude among other emotions - what can I say, except "Thank You".

GM: To Warm Them up to The Truth

William: That too. It is a privilege to be able to share my own experience with the reader...

GM: "Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me"

William: "How about that"


10:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qJ0UdJjLo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-pNS5mDExQ

090522

Expression of Astonishment

SCLx13

RSP= 2xSCL + pg dn + ↕ + P&P + re

AP= Tetrad [a group or set of four.] I am not here to judge but to help

9:31

GM: Ask and It Will Be Given
Be transparent
The Deeper Reality
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
The Power Of...
Phasing
Asking Politely
Presumed outcome
Tzevaot [armies or hosts of men]
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…

William: "Real Enough" as in, enough therein to have something within ones grasp of influence.
My initial thought wasn't so much one of awe and astonishment, but rather one of "hey more stars, ho hum."
Not that I do not include the necessary awe regarding human ability to create the modern devices used for the purposes of science, but rather - balancing that awe and respect with the notion that there is plenty to do hereabouts which would act as a protection against all that good work going to waste because the human species was unable to apply the science learned, in a manner which would ultimate help heal the planet in such a way as to the integrity of the whole...
On the other hand, scientists may be employed by their sponsor-investors, to also work on the problem of human interactions in ways which minimize or even completely eradicate all threat to those projects...
My 'problem' has been that I tended to think other humans are much the same as myself - have the same primary feelings and outlook on the subject of recreating the social infrastructures to better reflect the needs of the whole planet Herself re the critters She births...
This doesn't appear - in any obvious way - to show itself as being the case.
Much of the investment has been channeled to the creations of the infrastructures of scientific device - and humanity is paying for that, rather than for what can make all of our lives so much more bearable and functioning for the good of all.
I would suppose that this problem is as ancient as human beings, and is why stories have developed and become part of the human folk-lore as it gives the disadvantaged some kind of hope to their otherwise hopeless position...

GM: Dualic Energies
For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence
Look Closely
Dualic Energies
I Am Hearing You
Free your soul
Side Splittingly Funny
Beyond a shadow of a doubt
Love Takes One For The Team
Consider This
Conspicuous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfjsktMXu8
[Donald Hoffman Proves That We Live in a Simulation]
Leave room for nature

William: Yes - there is a tremendously funny side to all this, I agree. Yet I have to acknowledge the sadness I feel when I think about how science could be used to create a sturdy platform in which we then can launch off of from...and yes - given the 'rock and hard place' re the human drama, there looks - on the surface - to have been no other way in which to do what has and is being done.
What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters.

GM: Mothers Milk
The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD
Emotion
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
Stoke That Fire
In The Team of the Collective
[LINK DELETED]
"Let there be light"
Memorised vows enchanted by tune before the great minstrel the fair maidens swoon we came to our senses as we left the cocoon

William: From the link; [re the existence of this universe]

JoeyKnothead: The "initial state" seems to be out of the reach of being described in any accurate or meaningful manner.

William: In that, it is no more or less better than the idea of an exclamation "let there be light" from an Intelligent Source being the Initial State.

JoeyKnothead: Plenty fair. Though one's gotta ponder what did it that thinking.

William: That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker...

William: You mention what "Stokes That Fire" - it boils down to the so-called "Problem of Evil" which this morning I was thinking is like unto the '"Problem of Unicorns".
Yes. "Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God" " is a "problem" due largely to the historical content of human interaction with this idea of "GOD" which has a poor record among the general populace, and can be attributed with some horrific milestones along the road-side of human history.
It is understandable that folk want to avoid that path in particular, given its track record.

However, full avoidance is impractical, unwise and unsustainable...and cannot really be avoided as long as consciousness exists in the human form and does what it does in whatever 'name' it is doing it.
"GOD" in essence is like unto a mirror-image of the formless ghost we call "Consciousness" and acts out as it sees fit, through biological instruments ... and it cannot be completely exorcised from the mathematical equations, even if it is only represented as "Zero". The rest of the Math cannot be done without that 'non-number'.
"Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.
Therefore, "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
"Consciousness" = "Zero", mathematically speaking.


GM: Acceptance
Placebo Effect
Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless
Intelligence with Wisdom
Nurturing
"Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that."
And Loving That Knowing
The Cherubim
A lack of boundaries
The Ruru flies close over your head
Near

William: The Cherubim [theistic mythology] are angels designed to help "GOD" [rather than say - the Seraphim who are designed to praise GOD.]
Translating that to the human perspective, thoughts which go together to help the individual consciousness, and thus the collective [local] Consciousness of humanity and the Planetary system of Earth [Mother] through practical application - are the "Cherubim" and thought centered upon praise [for human accomplishment et al] are the "Seraphim" and both are vital to the overall processes re practical application.
The "lack of boundaries" re the Cherubim [in terms of the human condition/situation] this is the environment itself - even that we cannot touch the stars with our hands, we can, with the eyes of our understanding...and it appears to go of 'forever'...plenty to discover therein.

The "Ruru" of course - is significant to my own data of [subjective] experience and what it taught me - so the connect therein - with the rest - is in the synchronicity [mindfulness] of unfolding reality and my own subjective - based understanding of that.

GM: That is Correct
10:44

"You expose my atheism for the agnosticism it really is." ~ Joey Knothead {SOURCE}
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100522

SCLx5

RSP= 2xSCL + pg dn + ↕ + P&P + re

AP= Dysfunction The Serpent

GM: "I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions"
Wonder
Charge
Stepping out of the construct
"Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance."
Team
Love & Respect
A lack of boundaries
Dream interpretation
There Is More to the Silence Than Meets the Ear

William: Yes. There is simply no argument against the idea of a mindful creative conscious element involved in the background. At best, the agnostic position is the more honest one to adopt if one 'does not know.'
Otherwise, 'not believing/lacking belief' is simply a reaction against religious belief systems which present ideas about a mindful creative conscious element involved in the background.
As such, the reaction can be faulted as surely as the beliefs in the ideas can be faulted.

GM: Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
In Denial
Do Not Panic
Modern truth in ancient wisdom
On To It
Suicide {SOURCE}
[img]https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=13763.jpg
[/img]
For A Particular Reason
Keep an Eye On

William: Yes - the particular image invokes the idea of a secretive, shadowy figure - perhaps with sinister motives...but again, imagery in itself can be - even intentionally - deceiving.

GM: People hide their sins from each other.
Acceptance
Mother Earth
The dominant model of Source Intelligence is primal.

William: The idea of 'confessing one's sins' to each other seems helpful but is it really? I suppose that in relation to being suicidal, and if 'sin' was 'keeping the truth of ones state of mind a secret from others', then it is helpful to let others know...but one ought be careful whom one lets know.
That is the problem with the idea - ones 'sins' can be used by others for malevolent purposes.

Ideally, one needs to find the place where such thoughts do not encumber one's ability to function as well as one can expect to function in a largely dysfunctional mind-environment...and that internal environment spills out into the external world...it is a major balancing act to find the place of serenity - the ride is wild...

GM: It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.
Fury
Now We Are Getting Somewhere
Without and Within
Smarter Than The Average
"Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom"
Evidence We Actively Collect

William: And how we interpret the evidence we actively collect. Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.

GM: Worthy of the individuals time and effort...

William: On all fronts...

GM: Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...
A lack of boundaries
“True belonging doesn't require you to change who you are; it requires you to be who you are."

William: "A lack of boundaries". What does that mean? Having an open mind? In general terms it refers to someone who has no moral compass, or a lack of ability to understand their situation and 'act accordingly'...reckless even...it can be positive or negative depending upon the activity one is involved with... sometimes it is preferable to step outside of socially imposed norms in order to progress...discontinue with the practice of hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...

5:46

DrNoGods: I'd argue that the bodily purpose of consciousness is to create all of these things so that we can function at the level humans do.

William: Why? We witness the activity of consciousness through the human instrument - no argument necessary.
But why see it as purpose? This implies that something conscious emerged from a material thing, but the material thing had reason for creating such device.

DrNoGods: My dog is conscious and able to utilize its 5 senses and act like a dog, but he can't do calculus or compose a symphony and never will because his brain capacity does not allow it. He's conscious, but lacks the intelligence level of a human.

William: So you believe that the necessity of consciousness is to create intelligence?
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Something In The Way OF It All

SCLx11
Teach - Smart Phone - Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from? - A measured step - Crystal - Acid test - We Are Us - Fire - The Original People - Get out of the way - At what point in the examination of the evidence can we take 'dumb luck' off the table of explanation?

RSP = 2xSCL + AP + re + post LE

8:01

AP = Truth Without Proof Is Belief

GM: Standstill Contemplate
Conundrum
At what point in the examination of the evidence can we take 'dumb luck' off the table of explanation?
Truth Without Proof Is Belief
The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so.
Story-Tellers
Parchment
Self-compassion
Bury
Cleaning Up The Mess
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
What once acted like a Wall, became a Gateway
The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

Politics
The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so.
Memorandum of Understanding
"Could the answer be that It is not hidden at all, but that it is we who are hiding from It?"

William: Indeed. Effectively hiding from understanding our self in the process - for example - belittling conscious experience on the grounds that it is subjective in nature and therefore useless to science...thus useless overall.
Importantly one must be honest with ones self regarding subjective experience, rather than delegating images upon the overarching consciousness apparent in ones experience with the objective reality...as religion has done, to the detriment of truthfulness...

GM: Ikigai [your 'reason for being'. ]
This Speaks of....
Happiness
The Enigma Code
Degrees
Indestructible
"Could the answer be that It is not hidden at all, but that it is we who are hiding from It?"
Pertinent
Transactional
Your shell today…
Angelic Agenda
Christianity is intolerant of such an idea, which is why the dark side of YVHV became a separate entity.
Ingenuity
Overmorrow
Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours

Earth Mother
Voice/Message/Communication
Random coincidence? I think not.
Stuck
Pertinent
"Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?"
Good Intentions
Soul Retrieval
Builder
"No time left for a sentimental tune , wherever I've gone I have not left the room , I am never too late I am never too soon"
The Main Points on the Agenda
Sweet

Feel Be Still.
Innocent
"Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?"
A cultural touchstone
I will leave that there

8:26

DrNoGods: Had reason? I'm not sure what that means in this context. Brains evolved in response to the need for more centralized control of ever more complex bodies that required higher integration functions. If consciousness is an emergent property of a brain (as I believe) then it naturally arose when brains were able to process multiple sensory inputs and use those to make decisions (eg. fight or flight). But it wasn't any kind of intentional action by the material thing ... it evolved without any such input.

William: According to your belief - it wasn't any kind of intentional action by the material thing - at least, not initially.

[The intention came later - as consciousness took control. for we know that consciousness can and does operate with intent. ]

A convenient belief, but one in which accepts the clock-face as the evidence of reality, rather than the mechanisms behind the clock-face.

However, spacetime is not fundamental, so the brain is responding only to what it believes to be reality, rather than to reality itself.

On the other hand Consciousness is able to - at the very least - figure out mathematically, that the mechanisms, [of which the brain is one such mechanism] are part of the clock-face and do not represent any actual fundamental reality.

DrNoGods: The level of consciousness of Homo sapiens 200-300K years ago was presumably the same as ours today, but their intelligence level was orders of magnitude below because they did not have access to many millennia of accumulating knowledge to take advantage of as we do today.

William: And yet, the intelligence has thus far been unwilling to accept from that vast array of accumulating knowledge, that the reality being experienced is not fundamental, thus beliefs about consciousness [such as you own], remain locked in and apparently immovable.

The hard problem of consciousness remains, but the materialistic beliefs act as if the problem has been solved already.
{SOURCE}
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Intelligence Without Wisdom

SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
The One GOD With Many Names - The Completion Process - A riddle wrapped up in an enigma - A New Perspective - Questions - Emotional validation - Stay - The Earths Moon

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP = Free Will Transform

6:16

GM: The Earths Moon
Free Will
Story-Tellers
"Is consciousness an emergent property of the brain?"

Active
Underdetermination [the idea that evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it.]
Guilty
Controlled by fear
Transform
“We're a nation of exhausted and over-stressed adults raising over-scheduled children.”
Main
The Power Of...
Fireside Metaphor
Indeed
Making The Best of a Bad Situation
When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...

Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
"Is consciousness an emergent property of the brain?"
Open Minded

A machine for solving problems
Liminal [relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.]
Self-Awareness

When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
Path

Not
Mystical
Positive Social Connections
Open Minded
Let Go

The Stress of Unbelief
Time To See
I Digress...
Path
Soul
All The Same

The Connection Process
Belief Helps Cause Separation
With The Assistance Of That Deep One
Let Go
Look For The Significance

Mixture
EZPZ
Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
All The Same
Sadness
Reality Simulation
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole

On The Off-Chance
Educational
The Way We Feel Unification
Look For The Significance
Look from a different angle

6:37

130522

What can I say, except "Thank You"

SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle

Trust the Process - Parity - Machiavellian - The power of vulnerability - Practical application - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73548#p1073548


RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP = Good on you mate Hearing And Listening

William: From the link;

Difflugia: That would apply to anything non-static, hence the OP question. If God is static, then there's nothing to distinguish God's state at the beginning of the universe from any other point in time. If God is not static, God suffers from the same problem that you claim for the universe.

William:I think that if we went fishing we might find that there are varied interpretations as to what is meant by "God is the always the same".

Immutability = not capable of or susceptible to change.

That would rule out omnipotence - unless being omniscient means that a creator-God could give Itself the illusion of not being that Immutable Entity by constructing some type of reality experience in which It could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Itself...

A universe such as this one, could conceivably provide that.

GM: Good on you mate
Moldavite
Life in Heaven- Guiding Us On Earth

Noticing Synchronicity
I Spy With My Eye
Engaging with insects
Gardeners
Modern truth in ancient wisdom
God’s Love
Hearing And Listening
Like stubbing ones minimus
Personal boundaries
Sovereign Integral Network

Invite The Bee To Land
The Home Of The...
Archangel Metatron
Astral Explorer
First Source:
Connection
Lift Our Gaze
Life in Heaven- Guiding Us On Earth
Dive deep
Open Your Heart
The Way We Feel Unification

Encouraging
Move On
Put That On The List
Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
Do A=1
This Is Part Of The Job

William: This Is Part Of The Job = 220
Intimate On All Levels = 220
Beyond a shadow of a doubt = 220

GM: What's The Problem?

William: From the link;

DrNoGods: Kill one of these individuals (or destroy the brain's ability to function normally), and their consciousness appears to vanish simultaneously. This strong correlation is important.

AgnosticBoy: "Consciousness vanishes"? Couldn't this be our ability to detect consciousness vanishes? If it's a detection problem, then we have no way of knowing if consciousness continues to exist or not.

William: I was just searching "is zero a number?"

"0 (zero) is a number, and the numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. It fulfills a central role in mathematics as the additive identity of the integers, real numbers, and many other algebraic structures. As a digit, 0 is used as a placeholder in place value systems."

I now search "is zero a real number"
"Real numbers are, in fact, pretty much any number that you can think of. This can include whole numbers or integers, fractions, rational numbers and irrational numbers. Real numbers can be positive or negative, and include the number zero."

I would suppose re "Couldn't this be our ability to detect consciousness vanishes? " in that there is zero ability to detect something which was once detectable and now is not.

Does the possibility that being unable to detect something as existing, allow for the right to include zero as representing something real, which is not?

Zero makes the mathematics work...but if zero [representing nothing] is a fraudulent necessity, then perhaps the interpretation of mathematics is incorrect, and perhaps the reason mathematic works [is correct] is because the zero isn't really representing nothing, so much as it represents something which is not detectable but still exists as something.

GM: Sovereign Integral Network
Love
Ghost In The Machine
Eternal Loop
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action

Scape
Turning Point
The Way We Feel Unification
Opposing forces which define each other by necessity

8:11

Eloi: But the Creator of everything is not going to allow unscrupulous people to continue ruining humanity and the planet. He is going to clean soon this house that he gave to humans; he is going to take control away from those who have it for managing so badly what he put in their care, and he is going to put it in the hands of people who love justice and truth.
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That'll Be The Day Tracks In The Snow

SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle

Successful replications - Understand/Know - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79367#p1079367 - The World Wide Web - Tarot - Attention to Detail - Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!" - They just add ambiance to the spooky... - Pulse - Delirious - Each To Their Own

RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

AP = The path to enlightenment Potential of Milieu

William: From the link;

Compassionist: I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.

William: Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

William: Milieu [a person's social environment.]
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
"The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing"
Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event
The path to enlightenment Potential of Milieu

6:20

GM: The Torturous Treacherous Path
Group Dynamics
Rule your world
Dogs [follow (someone) closely and persistently.]
Calculation
Mind Body Spirit
Translucence [The quality of letting some light pass through, or being partially transparent]
Each To Their Own
The path to enlightenment
We Are Us
Making Steady Progress
Universe of Quantum
Active Imagination (see technique)
"With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather"
Logos – word reason plan
Invisible Wings
Remaining Unbiased
The Significance
Important
Those
"Does evolution shape our senses to see reality as it really is - or not?"
Of Your Thoughts
Anunnaki [Various unnamed Sumerian deities who constituted the divine assembly presided over by An and Enlil and of whom seven were judges in the afterworld.]
Entheogen [psychoactive substances that induce alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior for the purposes of engendering ...]
Form
Always Vigilant
Provide
Anyhoo
“Spread love everywhere you go. Let no one ever come to you without leaving happier.”
Invention is using things discovered.
Self-limitation
Vehicle
"How we think we will get happiness, is the middleman"
Far Out!
The Supernatural and the Bible
Courageous
The Creation
Think outside the box
The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax.]
The Hangups of Human History
Further
Trenchant [vigorous or incisive in expression or style. having a sharp edge.]
More
Understanding
This is because facts speak for themselves, which is to say, they require no interpretation.
The Mind
The Library of Babel
Sovereign Integral Network

William: Let Us Move On Together Then
Transforming the Anger Energy
In training for the next level
An infinitesimal object germinated
Controlled Distraction Light
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
Sovereign Integral Network

GM: Neurotransmitters
Choose What to Pay Attention To
An axe to grind
Extra evidence is provided
Here-and-now
Re-channel
Emotional wounds
I am not here to judge but to help
Vitriolic [filled with bitter criticism or malice.]
Two seemingly contradictory things working as one overall organized thing.
Something In The Way of It All
Make It Real
Still
Potential of Milieu
Commitment
What's The Problem?
The Heart of a Buddha
The Overlords [Childhoods End]
Shamed
Strength of Body
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76206#p1076206

William: From the link;

Nobs: If god exists, it allowed these contradictions to permeate its book, so the believers have to work around them. Why?

William:As a means by which to gauge those using that system of belief.

Nobs: What's the point for such a 'loving and all knowing' being to sow discourse and cast doubt on its own story?

William: If god can prevent it but does not, then the reason will be that god has a use for it...even if we have to make educated guesses in order to attempt to answer the 'why' question.

Nobs: Help make sense of this senseless act.

William:That assumes an 'afterwards' position and we cannot yet suppose that we have reached that point.
How the question needs to read, is along the lines of;
Q: Help me make sense of something I see no sense in."

Nobs: Or is there no god at all, and the bible is a hodgepodge of slapped together fairy tales but clueless people who wish to [dominate] and control the masses?

William: Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.

To [dominate] and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.

Perhaps there is something to the 'gauging' the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found...

But to suggest "there is no god at all", jumps to conclusions...

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7:11
GM: Cuneiform [a logo-syllabic script that was used to write several languages of the Ancient Near East. The script was in active use from the early Bronze Age until the beginning of the Common Era. It is named for the characteristic wedge-shaped impressions which form its signs]
Capture
Try Different Methods
Being aware of Human Control Dramas

William: Yes - the role-playing which extends into the realms of the gods...

GM: "This is indicative of actual justice"

William: Yes - one creates what one then has to deal with - the shadowlands of the subconscious getting a more controlling part in the game-board design...next level stuff...
The Nature of Angels
Cleaning Up The Mess
The devil you say
Getting off the hook
The One We Cannot See
Living in Alignment
Getting unstuck
Personal growth
A Game Rule was broken
...next level stuff...

GM: Systems of Disparity
Earth Mother
Fierce
Transparency
Central To The Vision
Psychic powers
Imaginative Realities
Ikigai [how one values ones life]
Knowledge Required to Resolve Uncertainty
A countenance more in sorrow than in anger
Exhibit

William: No axe to grind...

GM: Shadow Volunteer
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...62167#p1062167

William: From the link;

The quicker way to say that is "God" is the "Life" - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to 'make the experience easier' and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.

That way, the 'gap' is filled...

William: Invisible Bridge
Manifestation
Sleeping Dragon
Realities Merge
Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
Transparent
Enlightenment
Relationship
True Colors
On all fronts
No axe to grind...

GM: Permanent
People hide their sins from each other.
Known/Revealed

William: The meaning of life
Water the garden
Edward Snowden
Milky Mother
Sophistry [a fallacious argument.]
Querulous [complaining in a rather petulant or whining manner. ]
Idiosyncratic [peculiar or individual.]
A temporary façade
Act the giddy goat
Illumination
Self-Reflection
Labyrinthus
Known/Revealed

7:33

Diogenes: The utter... absolute solitude of such a being... of being such a being... truly frightens me. It would be a terror I could not bear to consider that I alone exist... that there would be no way to change that... no way to fool myself by creating others who would be independent souls, whose thoughts were not totally my own creation... unknown to me... that there could be no surprises forever.

William: If the being is all-powerful, then there would be a way in which it could fool itself, and the existence of this reality we are experiencing would be evidence of such a way being found.
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I Think – Therefore – Who Do I Think I Am?
The Realm of The Knowing of My Self
This moment is the perfect teacher

SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle

Hacking through the subconscious - Universe - No Country For Old Men - Extra evidence is provided - Archangel Metatron - With

RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

AP = Science Projects Mind is Ghost

William: Non form-based consciousness

6:40

GM: Sophophilic [a person who loves to gather knowledge with higher emphasis on wisdom.]
Duty Calls Children Help Each Other REAL Friendship
Connection
You are
Unconditional Love
Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil'
Zones of Sensitivity
Difficult emotions
In Out and All About

William: This is true enough given the dysfunction associated with problems which arise through viewing ones world in this way.

GM: The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.
Make It Real
"Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight"
Under a Question Mark

William: Yes. As was expressed in the words;

TRANSPONDER: The thing is, that everything appears to be near nothing arranged in working order. Some say this is arranged and ordered by a Cosmic Mind, and others say that it IS the Cosmic Mind. Either is possible.

With
Science Projects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJukJiNEl4o
"Our Shaman Elders"

William: I suppose this is an adequate description of those who do the science and present their conclusions...

Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought
Timeless
Inertia [a property of matter by which it continues in its existing state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line, unless that state is changed by an external force.]
Look Closely
Good and evil' co-exist without either being dominant
Let Go
What we resist, persists
As busy as a bee
Believe
"The joy of being an Independent Conscious Intelligence connected with another ICI far greater than ones self..."

It’s a living thing
Interactive
Necessary
The Word and List Strings
The Crabwood Cropcircle
Transparency
Realm of Dreams
We Are Us
No Country For Old Men
Deliberate and important
Face To Face
Crapulence [intemperance; debauchery; excessive indulgence]
Dilemma
Hide and Seek
Seductive
The Respect You Give
The Library of Babel
Mind is Ghost
Get Comfortable
William's Job
Mind Games
Common Ground
Addiction
The Human Instrument
"How does one recognize the devil?"
Intelligence
Illuminating
Down Your Way
Birthing
On The Right Track
Eternity
The Fathers 'House - Mansions'

William: This Should Be Interesting
Just Be…All Else Will Follow

GM: First Source:
"From Prison To Paradise"
The Free Will Key
A physical manifestation of a mental projection

William: Re the Cosmic Mind thinking and the thoughts producing...


GM: Live With
An Ancient Truthful Wisdom
Confident
To Be Sure
Important
All Because I Had To Ask
Deep Space

William: Room to move - things to explore...What Is That You Are Playing With?

GM: Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced
A Loving Heart
Key Of Expression
Hugs and Kisses
Use Mind
Ordinary
The waters of the deep
Aligning With
"The Last Question"

William: https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf

GM: Lean into it
The Right Tool For The Job
Like a doting parent
Calling the shots

"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within Lest I forget the heart that aches!"
Intelligent
I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
Animistic [the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence.]
Communication is key
Benefit of the Doubt
Getting Over It = Getting On With It
"I think of these images as representing a very real and supportive Team."
GOD
Shift Focus
Success
Madventures
The Ancient Grey Entity
Now Here
Connect
20/20
The places that scare you
Respect yourself
Productive Rationality
Strictly Human
You may be Psychic, not mentally ill.

William: There seems to be a fine-line...

GM: Beauty
Encouraging

7:07

060622
The Love is within the Communion

William:

SCLx15 + select last LE per shuffle
Far Out! - Putting The Pieces Together - It was at the time , still a work in progress - Just Be - All Else Will Follow - The power of silence - The dominant model of Source Intelligence is primal. - Marriage - Propagated - Peaceful Messiah or militant Messiah? - Keeping Things In Perspective - Creatio Ex Deo - The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters. - Syncope - The "Problem of evil" is like the "Problem of unicorns"

RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

AP = Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours Grand Experiment

William: It is the Source intention to expand, not retreat.

8:25

GM: The Free Will Key
The "Problem of evil" is like the "Problem of unicorns"
Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours
Healing the child within
"Howdy!"
The Unknown Knowable
A Loving Heart
Intelligence with Wisdom

William: The Love is within the Communion. Connecting with the deeper aspects of oneself which can be overlooked throughout ones lifetime...

GM: Sigil
To Warm Them up to The Truth
Whatever you do
Having To Learn a Whole Other Language
Why is this a Requirement?
Eventually
Grand Experiment
"For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing"
A fish out of water
Making Steady Progress
Interoperate [the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]

William: Invisible Bridge
Manifestation
Sleeping Dragon
Realities Merge
Interoperate
Transparent
Enlightenment
Relationship
True Colors
On all fronts
No axe to grind...

GM: Side Splittingly Funny
Stoke That Fire
The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
"Here Am I Is Where I Ought - Examining My Conscious Thought"
The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something.
Part of the 'waiting' is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self.
Something Like That

"The mathematics of natural selection makes it clear that it is the wrong language to describe objective reality"
Calm
To Experience All That Is

William: To Experience All That Is
That will take some time
Raise Your Vibration
Be grateful to everyone
The power of emotions
The fiction of causality

GM: Musing On The Mother
Happiness
Oneirology [the scientific study of dreams]
Intrinsicism [the belief that value is a non-relational characteristic of an object. This means that an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad.]
Ask
The Forerunner
Get The Truth
"I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual"
Okay - facts are great.
The Things You Do...

William: It Is Our Nature
Use Your Freedom
Shine Your Light


GM: Use Heart When Doing The Science
Mission
A Clean Channel
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
Regimented
Trick
"I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!"
Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion
Control
The Angel of the Lord
Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced
That
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77049#p1077049

William: From the link;

GM: Solidarity

William: Without doubt. The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my 'self' - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance, through the synchronicity and serendipity correlated between my internal thoughts and my external reality - in the moment.

GM: In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
The One GOD With Many Names
The bits will suffice.

William: The 'bits' in themselves are mind-blowing. The wind may indeed 'blow my tears away' but you reminding me of this event-string in this manner, brings tears - of gratitude among other emotions - what can I say, except "Thank You".

GM: To Warm Them up to The Truth

William: That too. It is a privilege to be able to share my own experience with the reader...

GM: Extra Sensory Perception
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...78885#p1078885

William: From the link;

I suspect the whole purpose of the Jewish [and following-on Abrahamic religions] ideas of GOD was to establish a human hieratical system which largely prevents believer and non-believer alike, from accessing possibly [more likely] truer ideas as to how such a GOD-beings' consciousness actually operates in relation to individual human consciousnesses...

It is wise to find a way in which to circumnavigate such obstacles, rather than settle for these being the criteria to which we all have no choice but to submit to.

Well...I think so anyway.

GM: Almost Accidental....
Cymatics [the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena]
It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
Entity - Different from Sovereign Entity
From the link
How shallow is the reach of YHWH
...
Be still
Wampus Cat
"Taps just above glabella"
Nurture You
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77104#p1077104

William: From the link;

I Am Hearing You
Free your soul
Side Splittingly Funny
Beyond a shadow of a doubt
Love Takes One For The Team
Consider This
Conspicuous [clearly visible. attracting notice or attention.]

GM: The Human Being
Your House Work
The Screen
Inspiration
The Perfect Moment
Transactional
Divine intuition
Modern man in search of a soul


William: Not Emotion - State Of Being
Journey to wholeness

GM: Aye...A name I call myself.

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080622
Inside the workings of intelligence
Superposition and entanglement

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.] - It isn't important who is who , what is important is what comes through. - One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊 - The past and the future are moments of 'now' ... to deny they have no bearing on this moment, is counter-productive - Making The Best of a Bad Situation - IQ - Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities - Marriage - Science Can Be Fun Too - Formatrix [She who forms] - This is indicative of actual justice - Dare greatly

RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

AP = Central Intelligence Agency The Language of Innocence

William: What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others

11:22

GM: Under the watchful eye and guiding arm of YHWH
I Think
There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Dare greatly
Central Intelligence Agency
The Attitude
Tracks In The Snow

William: It is all making sense
Strength of Soul
The way of knowledge
Practical application

GM: Sound
The Language of Innocence
Technique of Exchange
Super-information medium
All The Same
Phenomenon
Anyhoo
Angels
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
Free! Free! Free!
Who Knows Who?
By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it
https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...ml#post2246098
Insidious
Behavioural adjustments
Walking the walk
An inappropriate analogy
A lack of boundaries
Sophistry [a fallacious argument.]

William: From the link;

Summerlander: Bearing in mind what happened to Job, I'd like you to picture such scenario happening to you, only you discover that the disease you've been infected with and the torture and murder of some of the people you love and care about were the result of a bet that your father had with some nefarious agent. You confront your father and demand answers only to hear him say that you weren't around when he made a home for you and your siblings and that you are not wise enough to comprehend his actions.

Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

VVilliam: I would respect his position immensely and bow to that – the 'bowing' would be symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
I would also have further questions... Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers.

What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?

I might also ask “how thick do you want my skin to be?” but would be smiling as I did so…

GM: The Things You Do...
We Are
There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe"
"Get out of the way
Ness"

William: Most things are simple far too 'big' for the individual to make founded speculations about...but it is understandable enough that we have to make that effort to try and comprehend our position/predicament
As was pointed out by Purple Knight today;

don't disagree with religion because I think none of the mystical events happened, though I do see many of them as highly unlikely.

I disagree with religion because I think that when you claim special moral privilege, such as, "I am God, what I say is right. Obey me," you need to justify that to everyone's satisfaction - everyone you expect that deference from.

If it's no more than assuming the created should be loyal to the creator, would you be happy saying that Satan's special people should be loyal to Satan? A few of the religious and semi-religious people I know think Satan created white people. Let's say this is literally true. I don't imagine anyone would be happy with allowing and even condoning an allegiance to evil just because it created you, and that and that everyone would say, no, if your creator is evil then cast him off. So that fails.

If it's because God is omnipotent, does that just make it true that might makes right? Even if we're happy with that it's up to peoples' own judgment what they do when there's an absentee landlord. If they end up bowing to Nazis and calling it right because they can see the Nazis and they can't see God, then people who lay righteousness on a foundation of power really baked their own cake there.

GM: Fireside Friend
External validation
Transformed
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76206#p1076206

William: From the link;

Nobs: Or is there no god at all, and the bible is a hodgepodge of slapped together fairy tales but clueless people who wish to cominate and control the masses?

William: Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.

To cominate and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.

Perhaps there is something to the 'gauging' the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found...

But to suggest "there is no god at all", jumps to conclusions...

GM: Family of origin
Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human
Expression
"To like it or not, one must judge it"
Adroit [clever and skilful.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77752#p1077752

William: From the link;

Anything unexplained by science does not constitute a miracle, any more than the secrets of a magicians illusion constitutes a miracle.

Theoretically, a magicians secrets re an illusion can ALL be explained through scientific method, even if the secret is difficult to uncover.

The magician him/her self already knows the answer to the secret, and so in that sense, already knows the science behind the illusion, which is to say - there is always a scientific explanation to what appear to be 'miracles' and thus, there are really no such thing as miracles. There are only such things as unexplained/secrets which are - in the case of the magicians illusion - purposefully kept from the observers knowledge.

GM: Counsel
Conducive to wellbeing
Breakthrough
Farsightedness
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69172#p1069172

William: From the link;

William: While The Subject is focused on "Egoless" the subject matter of the GM has to do with how things unfolded re the Universe...what is being referred to as "The Old Soul" may have something to do with the cosmology of The Mind of The Universe - in that - at one point so close to the beginning, there was no sense of self but with the unfolding, a sense of self developed.

GM:The Old Soul
Not
Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos
Look from a different angle
Vehicle

William: The Mind - at some point after becoming self aware - focused upon the things within the universe which It could use as a vehicle - a device in which it could make things happen through.

Such as the device of a planet - such as is evident of Earth.

"Asleep or awake for the give or the take
Its a good ship that sails these cosmos
With a mystical smile I float down the isle
Forgetting the time when I was lost"

GM: Mind-Filters
Fierce
Be still
Determination
Creatio Ex Deo [The idea that God creates out of Gods self]
Meaningful

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