Thread: a very disgusting side of humans.

Originally Posted by Ynot

I don't

Baiting can be summed up by this one sentence; "Then I stick my dick in your ass!"

However, since that really doesn't explain it at all, try this; "Baiting" is the act of enticing particular groups of people (such as pedophiles or religious freaks) to send you Instant Messages out of the blue, at which point you manipulate or torment them in such a way to create a humorous log.

That really doesn't sound right, either. Oh well. It's closer than that first bit.


I'll post some of my personal logs in a bit.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Pedophiles who find themselves disgusting will seek anonymous ways to fulfill their fantasies. The internet allows the perfect solution to that desire for them.

Which solution is more important to you - the solution of a pedophile being able to fulfill his fantasies, or the solution of your 11 year old daughter finding a sexual partner in a 40 year old man? There is not a single thing shown in the video that evidences that the pedophiles would not have acted on a chance to get the bait-child into bed.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Yeah, my only point was that there are certainly cases in which young children do go out seeking these desires. I think this is where Ynot made the good point about education.

And I made the point that sometimes education does not always do the trick. A friend and designated driver can't just "educate" someone on not driving drunk. Sometimes you have to take the keys.

Originally Posted by O'nus

No, my point was actually entirely about the video; the internet is the best place for a pedophile to go for help because if they seek help in the real world they will be ridiculed tremendously! Yes, there are support groups that they can attend, but how can you expect someone to go out seeking help when admitting such a thing publicly could ruin your life?

A pedophile fulfilling his fantasies through the internet is not "seeking help." It is fueling the fire. It is a constant reminder of exactly how easy it is to bend a child to their will and provoke interest. That is not help.

Originally Posted by O'nus

I think my only main point is that pedophilia ought not to be ridiculed so heavily because of those majority that do not want those urges. Again, taking a look at a reformed person coming back to the world and still being ridiculed is the perfect case of hopeless.

I'm not completely insensitive to the fact that there are those pedophiles out there who actually want help. But those who want help and those who hunt down children and try to warp them with pictures of their dicks and invites to their homes are not those who I so easily pardon. This is not something as trivial as a "former smoker" being tempted to smoke another cigarette.

Originally Posted by O'nus

I suppose treating them like that will help in the long run - they will kill themselves or be killed. Is that what you want?

Treating who like what? Not giving pedophiles access to children? If you find that somehow inhumane, then I guess we really are on two separate pages. But I realize there are extremes to every condition, just like putting a serial killer on a deserted island where he has no one else to kill. He's likely to kill himself, if he doesn't get what he wants. Of course we can't control everything. But I'm not going to give a pedophile access to my kid just so he doesn't go crazy and commit suicide.

Perhaps hearing more about the cases in which pedophiles do get a hold of smaller (albeit younger) children - and engage in sex acts, breaking their pelvises, their backs, tearing their genitalia irreparably would bring a little more perspective into it. Do you accommodate those kinds of pedophiles, just the same? What if they "don't like that they have these urges?" Does it make it somehow ok? Would you let them be the clown at your child's birthday party?

so, pretending to be an 11 year old
to attract a nasty man....

fighting fire with a bottle of meths

You know
everyone in that chat-room might be baiting each other in order to win $2k

there's probably not any kids in there at all
(they're all playing counterstrike)

*Moved to ED*

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Which solution is more important to you - the solution of a pedophile being able to fulfill his fantasies, or the solution of your 11 year old daughter finding a sexual partner in a 40 year old man. There is not a single thing shown in the video that evidences that the pedophiles would not have acted on a chance to get the bait-child into bed.

I think the answer is obvious. My point is simply about how pedophiles are perceived in the world.

And I made the point that sometimes education does not always do the trick. A friend and designated driver can't just "educate" someone on not driving drunk. Sometimes you have to take the keys.

I agree. Although it certainly helps.

A pedophile fulfilling his fantasies through the internet is not "seeking help." It is fueling the fire. It is a constant reminder of exactly how easy it is to bend a child to their will and provoke interest. That is not help.

I did not say it was a way of seeking help. I never said this. I said it is their only way to seek fulfillment. Where do you think they turn to? The internet offers anonymity and chances to seek their pleasure. Where else do you expect someone to turn? It does not help in the long run, but it does help to alleviate their desire. That's what I meant.

I'm not completely insensitive to the fact that there are those pedophiles out there who actually want help. But those who want help and those who hunt down children and try to warp them with pictures of their dicks and invites to their homes are not those who I so easily pardon. This is not something as trivial as a "former smoker" being tempted to smoke another cigarette.

I'm not arguing for that either. I'm simply stating that those that seek help will have great difficulty doing so.

Treating who like what? Not giving pedophiles access to children? If you find that somehow inhumane, then I guess we really are on two separate pages. But I realize there are extremes to every condition, just like putting a serial killer on a deserted island where he has no one else to kill. He's likely to kill himself, if he doesn't get what he wants. Of course we can't control everything. But I'm not going to give a pedophile access to my kid just so he doesn't go crazy and commit suicide.

Come on, you don't seriously think that I think we ought to "just let things slide"?

You and I essentially agree here. I am just stating that the obvious hatred towards pedophiles needs to be relaxed a little so that they can come out and seek help without being concerned about being burned at the stake (metaphorically, of course) and shunned by their families.

What I was saying is that, the way they are being treated right now leads them down to two typical results - embarrassed and killing themselves or angry and being killed/punished.

Perhaps hearing more about the cases in which pedophiles do get a hold of smaller (albeit younger) children - and engage in sex acts, breaking their pelvises, their backs, tearing their genitalia irreparably would bring a little more perspective into it. Do you accommodate those kinds of pedophiles, just the same? What if they "don't like that they have these urges?" Does it make it somehow ok? Would you let them be the clown at your child's birthday party?

See this is where you are really reading too much into what I am saying. I am only stating that the way in which they are treated when seeking help is wrong. That is all. I am not arguing anything you have mentioned here. It's not something I disagree with. I am saying that we ought to give some leniency for understanding to those that seek help and forgiveness. That is all I am saying. I agree with everything else you are saying.

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i dunno. i'm going to see how far i can push a guy. i'll go as far as creating a false idendity with msn. If a guy goes as far as suggesting a meeting. then I'll know how real it is.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Come on, you don't seriously think that I think we ought to "just let things slide"?

You and I essentially agree here. I am just stating that the obvious hatred towards pedophiles needs to be relaxed a little so that they can come out and seek help without being concerned about being burned at the stake (metaphorically, of course) and shunned by their families.

Ok, I'll try to rein it in a bit, here.

I do understand what you're saying. (I'm only quoting this part, because this pretty much what you were saying in the other paragraphs). I don't have any problem with pedophiles who come out and actively seek help, whether its anonymously or otherwise. What I do have a problem with is pedophiles engaging in the act of trying to bait a child. I do not see this as seeking help. At all. And the fact that they are doing it over the internet - where it is, essentially, easier - is much less a reason for my sympathy. You wouldn't find me just coming out and shunning a pedophile that actually was actively seeking help. I mean, I'm not completely ignorant to their situation, but it's completely different when you actually see them in the act of reaching out to initiate contact with a child (and obviously enjoying it). That's basically where I'm coming from.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I do understand what you're saying. (I'm only quoting this part, because this pretty much what you were saying in the other paragraphs). I don't have any problem with pedophiles who come out an actively seek help, whether its anonymously or otherwise. What I do have a problem with is pedophiles engaging in the act of trying to bait a child. I do not see this as seeking help. At all. And the fact that they are doing it over the internet - where it is, essentially - easier, is much less a reason for my sympathy. You wouldn't find me just coming out and shunning a pedophile that actually was actively seeking help. I mean, I'm not completely ignorant to their situation, but it's completely different when you actually see them in the act of reaching out to initiate contact with a child (and obviously enjoying it). That's basically where I'm coming from.

Yeah I don't see it as help either if they try to seek children online. I was just saying that is ought not to come as a surprise because the internet is the best method for them to fulfill their desires. At the least, it's better than a pedophile stalking children... not saying that it is good but.. not as bad.. (I really considered editing this last sentence out.. I am just making an observation, not arguing anything here or condoning).

I'm really not sure what to say. I have seen a few case studies on pedophiles and they so often kill themselves after receiving help anyway. Even after learning to control urges and find fulfillment in other things, there's still the problem of how society treats them after they have admitted it.

This one case had a man seek help once he realize he had urges towards his own child. He then sought after help because he cared for his child so much. He learned to find fulfillment in fantasy play (ie. role-playing with the wife acting as a child) but once the wife found out the reasoning of why he sought this role-play, she left him, divorced, restraining order, etc. Of course, the man soon after hung himself.

It's tough. I really feel bad for these people and alike. Sometimes I encourage gene-therapy for the simple reason that these results are incredibly difficult to have a happy ending. But we said the same about homosexuality, right? I'm not sure how to feel about it.

What do you think...?

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Haven't we known about this side of the internet for years?

well as it turns out, guys ARE that dumb. there's a 21 year old guy in montana (just south of the border). i did some acting... it was the most disturbing chat convo i ever had in my life. he did suggest a meeting. and i gave him the msn address to my fake account. i literally feel sick after doing this. i don't know if i can go further with this.

What exactly was the point of doing that? You knew fairly well what would've happened from the start.

You can tell them you work for the FBI over msn and that his Mac Address will be permanently tracked, scare him from doing that shit.

The thing that scares me is so many young girls are attention starved, they want older guys to like them and they'll do anything for that attention. There are plenty of willing participants, at least until it gets to the point where they're asked to drop their drawels. Then it's just, "wtf mister I just wanted to play scrabble"

A Bait from Yahoo Chat
Warning, sexually explicit and strong language.

Spoiler for Bait:

wertPoo9: hey, nice profile
wertPoo9: you seem like my kinda girl
SexiGirlInBlack: Thanks.
wertPoo9: so you enjoy cybering with older men?
SexiGirlInBlack: You seem like my kinda baited.
SexiGirlInBlack: Only older men. Young guys get all jizzin in their shorts too quick without making sure you're done.
wertPoo9: i remmeber those days
wertPoo9: so, how big are your tits?
SexiGirlInBlack: How old are you, Pops?
wertPoo9: i'm 24
SexiGirlInBlack: Tell me all about yourself. Save dick size for last.
wertPoo9: i'm 6'2" 184 lbs
wertPoo9: green eyes
wertPoo9: wavey blonde hair
wertPoo9: nice body
wertPoo9: great six pack
SexiGirlInBlack: No, no no...
SexiGirlInBlack: Tel me about you!
wertPoo9: like what i like to do?
SexiGirlInBlack: Your hopes, your dreams your revelations from 24 years on this wonderful earth!
SexiGirlInBlack: Then I'll suck your cock real hard!
wertPoo9: i hope to finish my law degree in the next few years
wertPoo9: i've relized that fucking around in high school was a mistake
wertPoo9: i could have done 10 times better, and have already been done with college
wertPoo9: i want to marry a beautiful woman someday and have kids... family stuff, maybe even a dog
SexiGirlInBlack: Well at least you learned whats important. Now what do you say you fuck my 13 yr old ass!
wertPoo9: i would love to
wertPoo9: i just was wondering, how big are tyour tits for being 13?
SexiGirlInBlack: I need it like I need a hug and a father figure.
SexiGirlInBlack: Big!
SexiGirlInBlack: Real Big!
wertPoo9: souds good
SexiGirlInBlack: I have to wear a brace becuz of them or i won't walk right when i get older.
SexiGirlInBlack: I have really bad scoliosis.
SexiGirlInBlack: I walk like a monkey as it is.
wertPoo9: so, where would you like to do it sweety?
SexiGirlInBlack: In the back of the police station. I am the girl booking you and you try to strike a deal!
SexiGirlInBlack: You start!
wertPoo9: i sit you down and begin to slwly slide your pants off
SexiGirlInBlack: Hey, dick, did you even read what i wrote?
wertPoo9: what?
SexiGirlInBlack: You don't just slide off my pants!
SexiGirlInBlack: I am a female officer and I have you handcuffed in the back of the police station.
wertPoo9: ok
SexiGirlInBlack: You are at my mercy and try to cut a deal. No roleplay or beat it.
SexiGirlInBlack: Try again.
SexiGirlInBlack: Now roleplay*
wertPoo9: hety honey, if you let me out of these handcuffs i can make it worth your while
SexiGirlInBlack: Not a chance, baby-raper. Now get up against that wall so I can check your pockets for contraband.
wertPoo9: do me a favor and move your hand to the left
SexiGirlInBlack: Wow, whats this is your pocket? Are you trying to smuggle in a wart-riddled half a banana?
SexiGirlInBlack: Thats gonna cost you!
wertPoo9: it's been a long time since it's been touched
SexiGirlInBlack: I bring you into the drunk tank and cuff you to the metal bunk.
wertPoo9: oh come on
SexiGirlInBlack: "of course it's been a long time, Creepo! have you looked in a mirror lately?"
wertPoo9: are you just gonna leve me like this?
SexiGirlInBlack: No, first I am going to take down your pants!
SexiGirlInBlack: I pull your slacks down over your dimpled fat ass cheeks.
wertPoo9: what so you can have baba come rape me in my sleep?
SexiGirlInBlack: There is a stench from where you drew mud when you first heard the sirens.
SexiGirlInBlack: Yes, you may be raped. It's jail, that happens.
SexiGirlInBlack: But not until I am done with you!
wertPoo9: in your case, you can't rape the willing
SexiGirlInBlack: I place your swollen cock between me thumb and forefinger like it's day-old poop.
SexiGirlInBlack: I set it on the hard edge of the metal bunk.
wertPoo9: the cold feels good
SexiGirlInBlack: You shiver from the cold steel.
SexiGirlInBlack: I raise my baton up over my head and come crashing down on your dirty cock!
SexiGirlInBlack: SLAM!

wertPoo9: ahw!!!!
SexiGirlInBlack: The head is torn clean off!
wertPoo9: what the hell are you doing?
SexiGirlInBlack: Blood spurts from the recoiling shaft!
SexiGirlInBlack: You yelp like a wounded puppy!
SexiGirlInBlack: I grab your balls and heave them up from behind you, in between your fat white thighs.
wertPoo9: right...
SexiGirlInBlack: You begin to vomit!
SexiGirlInBlack: (I am so close to coming, please keep responding!)
wertPoo9: you got problems little girl!
SexiGirlInBlack: I peel your ass cheeks apart and am caught with the shit smell of 1000 dying camels.
SexiGirlInBlack: It doesn't stop me.
wertPoo9: how do you get off from chopping off a guys cock?
SexiGirlInBlack: I pull out 10 and one half inches of syphlittic horse-cock and jam it in your unwashed ass!
SexiGirlInBlack: (Just play along, and I'll get you off in a second)
wertPoo9: you have serious problems
SexiGirlInBlack: By now, all the drunken Indians have stirred from their Sterno-induced hallucenations and are standing around you.
SexiGirlInBlack: They masturbate onto your back as you bellow from the horrible ass-pain!
SexiGirlInBlack: (I'll suck your cock with my girl-mouth in just a second)
wertPoo9: what, you mean half my cock?
wertPoo9: with the blood and everything?
SexiGirlInBlack: Just then your mother walks in to bail you out!
SexiGirlInBlack: (No, I'll suck it however you like)
SexiGirlInBlack: Your mother screams for your freedom but I explain to her why you are in jail.
SexiGirlInBlack: I tell her you are a dirty pedophile that likes to molest 13 yr old girls on the internet!
SexiGirlInBlack: She now sees my point and straps on her big black cock that she uses to fuck your dad!
SexiGirlInBlack: Slam! she comes into the cell, kicks out your teeth and fucks your bloody mouth while I continue to assault your ass!
SexiGirlInBlack: (Did you come yet?)
SexiGirlInBlack: She says that maybe if you weren't such a fuck up in high school, you wouldn't be a child molester now! She says your law degree is never going to happen once this AIM log is turned over to the powers that be.
SexiGirlInBlack: You begin to lose control of your bowels. Shit sprays everywhere, making the indians hard again.
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And I put on my robe and wizard hat.

Originally Posted by O'nus

As Foucault said, there will always be this sexual side of people. Censoring it, suppressing it, nothing will or has ever stopped it.

Execution works very effectively in terms of a pedophile who is executed.

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

What exactly was the point of doing that? You knew fairly well what would've happened from the start.

the point is to get him to agree to a meeting so i can bust him with crime stoppers and get 2 grand

But you didn't. Sad face.

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

But you didn't. Sad face.

that's not true he, suggested a meeting. he has my fake msn account. all i got to do is play him for a while so he'll be dumb enough to cross the border. this will take time but i think i can bust him and win some cash.

Maybe the pedophiles should lucid dream to satisfy their fetish.

Originally Posted by ranma187

well as it turns out, guys ARE that dumb. there's a 21 year old guy in montana (just south of the border). i did some acting... it was the most disturbing chat convo i ever had in my life. he did suggest a meeting. and i gave him the msn address to my fake account. i literally feel sick after doing this. i don't know if i can go further with this.

I might have to try this, make a whole myspace account and everything so that I only get other guys around the same area. I wouldn't know if I'd want to turn them in for the money though, I might settle for killing them myself. In fact, there's a publicly accessible list of local child predators here, with their addresses and all, and they only get on that list if they've done something terrible to a child before. It's aaaaawefully tempting. I'll think about it.

Originally Posted by invader_tech

I might have to try this, make a whole myspace account and everything so that I only get other guys around the same area. I wouldn't know if I'd want to turn them in for the money though, I might settle for killing them myself. In fact, there's a publicly accessible list of local child predators here, with their addresses and all, and they only get on that list if they've done something terrible to a child before. It's aaaaawefully tempting. I'll think about it.

well i'm not a killer. but i DO need cash. my first victim already admitted to molesting a young a girl. i wish i had saved the chat log damn. that would have been compelling evidence.

Originally Posted by ranma187

well i'm not a killer. but i DO need cash. my first victim already admitted to molesting a young a girl. i wish i had saved the chat log damn. that would have been compelling evidence.

Wow... It would have been, absolutely. I don't know how often they'd admit to previous acts that would otherwise certainly condemn them, so I'm surprised he mentioned it at all if he's completely falling for your act o_O

well i've seen vids of dateline where they catch pedo's the same way. it is quite common for them to admit something like that.