Thread: Swine flu.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Does anyone else see the possibility of an epidemic as a good thing?

I'm amazed at the media hype around it, but I have no idea how powerful its potential as a deadly virus is. I guess its really easy to spread and there is no cure.

Originally Posted by Kiza

If Pandemic 2 is to be believed, I am moving to Madagascar as soon as possible.

Haha, the funny thing is I just started playing pandemic 2 a couple days ago before I learned about the swine flu.

Now I name my flu "Swine flu" all the time, and god dangit Madagascar has like a germ force field around it. I would restart the game like 30 times to try and get the disease to start out there, the first time I did, the disease infected just about everywhere but I had to get up and leave >.<. The second time it took 50 tries and madagascar was closed down from the rest of the world before it could spread even though my virus was completely harmless. 3rd time the countries managed to shut out every possible way before I could get to more then half.

It's obviously the vicious New World Order testing a new strain of the flu. In a few years the final strain, which will be far more deathly than this one; will be released to sow fear and gain control over the population.

It could barely be more obvious.
Just kidding.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Does anyone else see the possibility of an epidemic as a good thing?

oh oh! I get it!

we need to off the human population, because were so bloody overpopulated....so noble! why don't you start by offing yourself?



or do you think we should only off poorer nations, since they are the ones who will suffer the most from any epidemic?

how easy and pathetic it is for you to condemn the poor to death, while you sit comfortable behind a computer

our population is not the cause of global warming or other disasters to our world. its our way of life.

we are a part of nature, and we are the result of nature. nature is the one that gave us the ability to create the technical world that we live in. it is our human nature, and it is nature, that we have done so

does nature pass judgement on those that destroy??

did it pass judgment on the trees that helped cause a mass extinction when the trees poisoned the herbivores? did it pass judgment on the rain, when the rain didn't come and thousands of miles of rain forest - millions of life forms, were swallowed up by a barren desert?

the idea that nature keeps a happy little balance for all its life forms, is bull crap.Nature shows no compassion, as its life forms are caught in a never ending cycle of consuming each other.

The picture has yet to end, and it's not going to end because of man.

Nature can go on just fine with just the bees and flowers. It needs no mammal or birds, or reptiles, or fish.

Change is the only constant. Even if the change is mass extinction.

But who can say that millions of life forms ceasing to exist is wrong? Can nature pass this judgment? It's only MANKIND that passes judgment

Its only mankind that says mass extinction is wrong!

Just as wishing for half the population (or any part of the population) to die a miserable death is wrong. It's not going to save nature. It's not going to save the Earth. It's not even going to change our lifestyle!

Who do you think that half of the population will be?

Half the world is already dying from something. And it is, and will continue to be, the POORER HALF.

Did the starving in africa stop americans from destroying rain forests so they can gorge on hamburgers?

It doesn't matter what you reduce the population to. Half the world suffering hasn't stopped our greedy way of life. So half the world disappearing, won't stop our greedy way of life. Becuase it will be the most richest people who live!!

Consumerism has made us greedy, fat, and ignorant.

Consumerism, the kind we see today was artificially implented, and very carefully implented with subliminal messages - for the benefit of the few. At the cost of the majority!

We've even been manipulated into believing that this consumerism is the best way of life. Despite the fact that research has shown us, consumermism has made us unhappy! It's making us obiese! Were getting cancers from the artificial crap consumerism creates! It's raping our natural recources, lowering our incomes with its race to the bottom, creating poverty nations away, and keeping the poor...........poor.

Who do you think we'll get a vaccine quicker? Who do you think we'll never be able to get the vaccine?

What makes you so positive that this new virus............was made by the fury of nature against man?

Can't man create viruses? Full knowing our economics will pit the new virus against certain nations?

Seriously, think about what you are suggesting. And think about who it really benefits.......The Few.

What a great way to commit genocide! What a great way to get rid of third world countries, and their stupid nature friendly non-capitalistic way of lives. What a great way, to control them as they beg for the vaccine. No money to give us? That's okay. You got something more valuable. Natural recources. And if you don't give us your natural recources, you can die or slave for us.

Don't think something similiar has never happened???........people wake up!!

The concept of 'population versus scarce recources' was created by the few to benefit the few!!!














pssssst....theres enough to go around and we can live entirely green lives

To rectify a few misconceptions: yes, this flu does do more damage to those with strong immune systems, actually. It was the case in the 1918 flu too. Basically the flu caused the host's own immune system to turn on themselves, so that's why those with stronger immune systems died.

And no, this really isn't an overreaction. I'm afraid all of you who are saying that have been moddycoddled by modern society and fortuitous circumstances. The threat of extremely devastating viruses is very real and much more important than the rubbish that normally makes the headlines.

Does anyone else see the possibility of an epidemic as a good thing?

You'll have to explain that one.

I was completely unimpressed by bird flu and SARS, but this thing has my radar tingling a bit. The platform for the train was fairly crowded today, and the news-crawl was all about, "Baby dead in Texas" and "More cases in Spain," and there was one old man with a breathing mask; you could tell people were tense.

The reason this flu is of concern if because of how it causes your immune system to react. Any other flu, our healthy middle class would have no problem fighting off on its own. But when you have something that can cause a runaway immune system, it does not matter how healthy you are, because that will work against your advantage.

If this does follow the 1918 events, our one hope is that with our current day technology, we will be able to find a vaccine/cure before things really get out of control.

So yes I am concerned. NYC is only 30 minutes away, and with confirmed cases growing every day, it's only a matter of time before cases start showing up in NJ.

Meh I was kinda worried, but then I thought well if it's only like a bad case of flu and then you die like two days later it won't be so bad...Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna die(!) but as diseases go, this doesn't sound too bad...although I've never had a bad case of flu before so I guess I don't know. Obviously I don't want my family to get it and die, but if they do I'll probably get it as well and die.

Obviously I don't want other people to die either, but hey we've all gotta die sometime, so no I'm not worried. Although I do work in a supermarket where there's obviously loads of people I could probably catch it from which wouldn't be good if I was the one to give it to my family. On the other hand though, I believe in fate and all that so I reckon it'd be pretty bad luck or I was meant to die if I got it! Ha, so nah not really worried.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...,25.488281&z=5

Google map of the Swine Flu. It is showing up everywhere. Looking at this map actually makes me very worried. But thank God I live in the country with the best health care available.

Well my immune system is already shitty, and there isn't any cases anywhere near where I live, yet. I should be safe until it mutates I only worry as my dad goes on airplanes quite often. He could possibly bring it here.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I was about to bring that up. I had the bird flu, and so did my brother. It was a minor flu that lasted about two weeks. It wasn't that big of a deal. It killed a few birds in my mosquito infested back yard, but it didn't do much to me or my brother. The regular flus that go around are a lot worse.

Correction: It wasn't bird flu. It was West Nile.

I got confused because it was wiping out birds left and right. Also, I don't take any of it seriously because it was all a bunch of hysteria that turned out to be about not much. I am not saying we can never have a real epidemic that kills millions. It is possible. I just don't get startled by the scare of the year any more. This year it is swine flu, and that sickeness will most likely turn out to be just another flu.

And anyway most of the deaths in Mexico are "blamed" on the swine flu without actual proof.

Edit: Okay front page article title reads: The UN's World Health Organization has raised the alert over swine flu to level five - one short of a full-blown global epidemic, or pandemic.

And then the first page of the article reads: A phase five alert means human-to-human transmission in at least two countries.

Wait, WHAT? So is the common cold a full-blown global pandemic, by that definition? If that's the case then I really don't see a need for these labels.. other than to scare the common cattle.

I'm pretty amazed it reached alert 5 too. I mean one less then max alarm is way overreaction. It's only suspected of infecting like .0001 something of the population if not way less (too busy to calculate all those 0's).

I'm thinking the hype is a bit overblown.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

And then the first page of the article reads: A phase five alert means human-to-human transmission in at least two countries.

Wait, WHAT? So is the common cold a full-blown global pandemic, by that definition? If that's the case then I really don't see a need for these labels.. other than to scare the common cattle.

By that definition, yes, the common cold is a global pandemic. However, there's another qualifier for that high of a pandemic rating:

Originally Posted by "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_Severity_Index'

The index focuses less on how likely a disease will spread worldwide--that is, become a pandemic--and more upon how severe the epidemic actually is.[7] The main criterion used to measure pandemic severity will be case-fatality ratio (CFR), the percentage of deaths out of the total reported cases of the disease.[3]

Further on in the article, it states that level 5 has a >2% fatality-case ratio. I don't quite think that the common kills as many people who are affected, so it doesn't qualify.

In other news, Obama just showed up on the TV , telling everybody that we're working on it, and to wash your hands.

Just watched Obama talk about how "serious" this thing was. Isn't it treatable? Aren't the only ones who are dying the ones who have failed to get healthcare?

Edit: I mean come on, it's Mexico for Science's sake!

Originally Posted by Xei

It's pure luck we've gotten this far without a serious pandemic which wipes out millions - as most people are aware now, this happened in 1918 and killed 50,000,000, and the human population's about 5 times higher now. Epidemiologists know this, so they're always very catious when a new virus emerges and starts spreading quickly. Fortunately swine flu seems pretty inert, touchwood. There's no knowing if that'll stay true though.

Didn't a lot of people die in the first outbreak because the vaccine was bad, and actually caused some diseases?

My hubby sent me a link from the site I'm about to link http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html
I wonder how reliable the site is or if it's famous for conspiracy theories...
If it's true, it's very scarey.

The link hubby sent was http://www.naturalnews.com/022267.html after he and I spoke about not all states enforcing even basic immunizations.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

Just watched Obama talk about how "serious" this thing was. Isn't it treatable? Aren't the only ones who are dying the ones who have failed to get healthcare?

Edit: I mean come on, it's Mexico for Science's sake!

This, and only 20 of all the deaths has been confirmed to be from swine flu <.<
Oh and, dang you flu, making me post on off-topic <.<

I personally believe this is being fearmongered to draw our attention away from the bush admin investigations, how convenient of an outbreak at such a convenient time for the current admin.

I do believe this flu is bad, I have read that this flu is a mixture of: Human, bird, and swine flu.

Which brings the question up, can that happen naturally? I don't think so

I call this flu the "Designed in a lab Flu"

I'm no doctor but to me its dead obvious this was lab created and released in multiple countries to spread fear and panic among the world.

I'm confused...is 5 more than ORANGE?

its just an excuse to say "It wuz teh Guvermant" again.

Originally Posted by guerilla

I personally believe this is being fearmongered to draw our attention away from the bush admin investigations, how convenient of an outbreak at such a convenient time for the current admin.

I do believe this flu is bad, I have read that this flu is a mixture of: Human, bird, and swine flu.

Which brings the question up, can that happen naturally? I don't think so

I call this flu the "Designed in a lab Flu"

I'm no doctor but to me its dead obvious this was lab created and released in multiple countries to spread fear and panic among the world.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Banana

its just an excuse to say "It wuz teh Guvermant" again.

Nowhere in my post did I blame government, I'm blaming big pharma, vaccine companies, and the globalists, The government is just going along with it, probably most of the gov doesn't even know the truth.

Look up the company baxter, not too long ago they were making flu 'vaccines' and meanwhile they were mixing bird flu inside the vaccine, they tested the vaccines on ferrets and they died, they tested this vaccine on homeless people in poland and they died also.

Now The obama admin is ordering more vaccines from baxter for this so called 'swine' flu.

So please don't tell me its not possible that this is a conspiracy to make us all panic and possibly sick, its been done before and it will be done again.


Just look up the side effects of tamiflu (a vaccine for flu) the side effects include:

Delirium, hallucinations, strange or violent behavior or seizures/convulsions.

Yea, lets trust big pharma and the globalist pigs.


Want my recommendation? Stay the fuck away from any flu shot, they are dangerous and scams.

Originally Posted by Walms

This, and only 20 of all the deaths has been confirmed to be from swine flu <.<
Oh and, dang you flu, making me post on off-topic <.<

Oh dang Walms, you are from Mexico right? Watch out.