Thread: Would You Accept a Murderer?

yes, I would, regardless of the details. I would also accept a stranger who kills someone I care about.

when I say accept, I mean forgive. not saying they should go without a just punishment. (this probably should have been clarified in the OP..)

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I don't want unjustifiable killers to have help and education. I want them dead or at least miserable. They alienated my support by doing what they did.

I wouldn't expect this response from you. you must believe in free will?

I most likely wouldn't reject them.... Death is a natural part of life, whether they were murdered or not.

Originally Posted by mini0991

I think lethal injection is too kind.

I hate execution. I think it is wrong in every sense possible. I once saw something talking about this that said:

Why do we kill people, who kill people, to show people, that killing people is wrong??

Think about it.

I don't know, I'd be kinda paranoid if a girl was laying next to me in bed and I knew she killed 15 people. I'd have to sleep with one eye open.....and not the one that winks.

Originally Posted by juroara

In all honestly, I would be start to be concerned about my own safety. This is with understanding I do not consider it murder for one soldier to kill another soldier at war.

Anyone who says this is an idiot. Murder is murder, taking life is taking life. How is one solider killing another any different than murder? So all the Nazi's that gunned down soldiers on D-day are just doing their job? Give me a fucking break. Oh wait they are the bad guys, so it's ok to label them as murderers...But our soldiers are noble heroes of justice and freedom!

Not all deliberate killing qualifies as murder. Killing soldiers in a war is not murder, even when it is evil.

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–noun 1.Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

You have a good point UM. But it's not so much about the legal defintion of murder as it is about the act of taking anothers life.

Perhaps I would accept a murderer if he or she became a murderer under understandable circumstances.

If someone kills another out of sheer selfdefence I don't see them as a murderer at all. But rather as a survivor. A mother who has 3 kids with a tyrant of a man that terrorises the family and beats her and her kids up can get fed up. She can come into a situation where she'd have to defend her children or herself and the only way is to kill the wifebeating tyrant.

If a woman kills a man under such circumstances I would not blame her or see her as a murderer. I'd see her as a Hero.


If a man however kills a random group of people, because they happen to be of non-white, non-european origin(such as happened in belgium some years ago) he is totally in lack of a moral consciousness. Such a man is indeed a murderer and a very dangerious one too. He'd best be locked up for a lifetime so he can do no more of such horrors.

Never think that, because you are morally against murder, that you would never ever kill another human being. It depends on the circumstances.

Originally Posted by Vampyre

Random Hypothetical:

If a loved one (spouse/sibling/parent/child/etc) confessed to you that they'd murdered someone, or even multiple people, would you accept or reject them?


What kind of conditions would affect your response? Would it matter why or who they killed?

We'll presume that the murder isn't recent and therefore it's not a concern over being caught by the police. They just felt guilty about holding it from you so they decided to confess.

If you feel like your religion/culture is relevant, please include that.

Of course everything is relative, and every situation has its conditions.

It would matter to me why they killed that person, most importantly. Was it self-defense, or something more self-centered? Would I accept a murderer who killed someone in cold blood over something like jealousy, status, or unwarranted impulse? No. I couldn't say that I would, unless there was some sort of rationale for it. I expect competent adults to be aware of themselves enough to know when it is or when it isn't acceptable to take another person's life. If it's a crime of opportunity (rather than necessity), I couldn't see myself accepting that person, because any level of trust would go out the window.

what exactly is meant by "accept" here? to be clear..

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

what exactly is meant by "accept" here? to be clear..

I'm not sure what other term to use. It's basically comparing the reaction of abandonment/rejection/disownment to the lack of such a reaction. Like if you just carried on as normal, not really treating them significantly different. Another way to think of it is whether or not you would testify against them.

This question came to my mind a while ago, and after watching the first two seasons of Dexter it made me think of it again. So I decided to see what others think.


To expand on the original question, here are a few scenarios to consider:

Would you accept...
1. A person who killed a thief that stole from you?
2. A wife who killed her abusive husband?
3. A former soldier suffering severe PTSD who killed someone thinking it was an enemy?
4. A serial killer with an addiction to murder?
5. A starved prisoner who killed an innocent for food?
6. Someone who murdered a rapist? A child rapist?

Would it matter if they were a loved one or a stranger?
What if the person they killed was a loved one?

Originally Posted by Vampyre

I'm not sure what other term to use. It's basically comparing the reaction of abandonment/rejection/disownment to the lack of such a reaction. Like if you just carried on as normal, not really treating them significantly different. Another way to think of it is whether or not you would testify against them.

This question came to my mind a while ago, and after watching the first two seasons of Dexter it made me think of it again. So I decided to see what others think.


To expand on the original question, here are a few scenarios to consider:

Would you accept...
1. A person who killed a thief that stole from you? Yes
2. A wife who killed her abusive husband?Yes
3. A former soldier suffering severe PTSD who killed someone thinking it was an enemy?Yes
4. A serial killer with an addiction to murder?No
5. A starved prisoner who killed an innocent for food?No
6. Someone who murdered a rapist? A child rapist?Hell yes

Would it matter if they were a loved one or a stranger?Maybe
What if the person they killed was a loved one?Fry them

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

lol, didn't see that one coming.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

lol, didn't see that one coming.

Really?

Ehhhhh if that person kills someone I apretiate , definitly I wouldn't like it , if I'm angry enough I'll just tell that person to get the fuck out of my sight and never talk to me again.

If he's someone I know and didn't have good reasons or don't know him, I'd get away from this person , who knows if you're next

Originally Posted by Vampyre

I'm not sure what other term to use. It's basically comparing the reaction of abandonment/rejection/disownment to the lack of such a reaction. Like if you just carried on as normal, not really treating them significantly different. Another way to think of it is whether or not you would testify against them.

I would be indifferent in any case. If someone I cared about was murdered, I'd accept it and move on. and whether or not you testify against a murderer or whether or not you accept/forgive them is different.

I accept all murderers of every kind because I don't believe in free will. no one has a choice in what they do, ever. everything everyone does is determined by previous conditions. like a domino effect.

killers kill because of a genetic defect, psychological trauma, or a mix of both (nature/nurture). knowing that, I can't possibly see them as monsters. in fact, I believe they are no less of a victim than the people they kill. they are victims of circumstance.

having said all of that, I don't believe that murderers should go unpunished. of course it all depends on the details of each individual case, but for the most part people who kill should be locked up. and I don't care if it's a stranger, my best friend or my own mother, if I felt it was right, I'd testify against them.

regardless of the severity of the crime, they are already forgiven. if I couldn't do it, if not by me, then by god.

(ftr...I'm not religious.)