Thread: Am I a rapist?

To the OP: Of course you are. You consciously made the decision to rape somebody. The fact that there is no victim to run to the police doesn't change the actual act. It's sort of disgusting, honestly. It's sort of like this hypothetical question: If you could rape someone in REAL LIFE but she would never remember you did it and nobody else would find out...would you still do it?

I could no more force myself, in a dream, to go against my morals than I could in real life. Your mind is your mind and what you fill it with is a reflection of yourself.

Originally Posted by jasonresno

It's sort of like this hypothetical question: If you could rape someone in REAL LIFE but she would never remember you did it and nobody else would find out...would you still do it?

No it's not.

Originally Posted by Blacklight

That's a bit extreme. The point is to indulge your impulses in an environment in which no harm is done. To anyone. At all. That's different from going to the street and going medieval on someone because of a perceived slight.

Yes, but not everyone is blessed with the ability to lucid dream at will are they? What are you supposed to do then?

You don't indulge a bad habit to make it go away. You don't indulge thoughts of cruelty or greed to get them to stop.

Originally Posted by jasonresno

To the OP: Of course you are.

Technically, no, not on the basis of the real world. But the dreamworld is also a place, so I would say there you are.

Originally Posted by Bowie

No it's not.

Actually, yeah. Yeah it is. In both situations there is no "true" victim. Because a "true victim" in reality is aware of and suffers from their abuse. If you'd been raped, your mind swept clean of the event, you do not go on suffering. Therefore we have two victimless scenarios. Both of which are reprehensible.

At the very least don't soil your own mind.


Furthermore: If I were to sit around and daydream about fucking children. Or lucid dream and rape children... Is that OK? It's harmless, right?



At some point all the dirty/terrible shit you daydream/think/lucid about starts to affect you. If the OP rapes women in his dreams every night I bet that's going to subconsciously, on some level, change him a little bit.

And at the very least if you have to ask yourself: "Wait...Am I a rapist?" you're probably not doing anything worth doing. But yeah. I can see myself being in this thread waaayy too long. I'm clocking out.

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Yes, but not everyone is blessed with the ability to lucid dream at will are they? What are you supposed to do then?

You don't indulge a bad habit to make it go away. You don't indulge thoughts of cruelty or greed to get them to stop.

Get a girlfriend into fake rape, watch fake rape porn, use your imagination or go see a therapist.

What's your point? You don't indulge in anything that could cause direct harm to anyone to make it stop. You can't make it stop so you cope with it the best you can.

I think this is sorta hilarious. The OP can lucid dream. He is literally in a place where the only limit on his abilities is his imagination...and he can't even get a girl to want to be with him :/

Originally Posted by jasonresno

I think this is sorta hilarious. The OP can lucid dream. He is literally in a place where the only limit on his abilities is his imagination...and he can't even get a girl to want to be with him :/

Dude. How can you talk about someone elses dream control abilities when you haven't even had your first lucid dream yourself? That's what I think is sorta hilarious. It's not that easy, you'll see when you get LD's.

Originally Posted by jasonresno

I think this is sorta hilarious. The OP can lucid dream. He is literally in a place where the only limit on his abilities is his imagination...and he can't even get a girl to want to be with him :/

Yes, because lucidity always = perfect control.

/sarcasm

Furthermore: If I were to sit around and daydream about fucking children. Or lucid dream and rape children... Is that OK? It's harmless, right?

Yes.

At some point all the dirty/terrible shit you daydream/think/lucid about starts to affect you. If the OP rapes women in his dreams every night I bet that's going to subconsciously, on some level, change him a little bit.

No.

Originally Posted by XeL

Yes, because lucidity always = perfect control.

/sarcasm



Yes.



No.

Gotta love opinions with nothing to back them.

Read ETWOLD?

Also, personal experiences.

I have to say. I really don't believe in dream interaction with other people. Too far fetched for my belief.

I think some of the replies to this thread are hilariously funny! I really do!!

I'm sure most have heard the expression "Thought Police", those who troll various forums waiting for any chance to flame others who dare to think differently (or express themselves honestly). So now, do we also have "Lucid Dream Police" patrolling threads to make sure people only indulge in "moralistic" lucid dreams?? It's absurd and ridiculous (to say the least).

I shouldn't have mocked his LD ability. You two were right about that. So I do apologize for that.

Past that: I personally wouldn't do it. It seems a bit of a slippery slope. But what you guys do doesn't affect me, so I don't care either way.

Originally Posted by Watchman

I think some of the replies to this thread are hilariously funny! I really do!!

I'm sure most have heard the expression "Thought Police", those who troll various forums waiting for any chance to flame others who dare to think differently (or express themselves honestly). So now, do we also have "Lucid Dream Police" patrolling threads to make sure people only indulge in "moralistic" lucid dreams?? It's absurd and ridiculous (to say the least).

lol that's exactly how I feel...I don't even consider the argument that doing something in a lucid dream is wrong to be legitimate whatsoever...honestly all these people who are saying that are cracking me up.

Originally Posted by Prince_RIP

lol that's exactly how I feel...I don't even consider the argument that doing something in a lucid dream is wrong to be legitimate whatsoever...honestly all these people who are saying that are cracking me up.

Then why make the initial post?

Auuggghh. Not so obvious troll is revealed.

Originally Posted by jasonresno

To the OP: Of course you are. You consciously made the decision to rape somebody. The fact that there is no victim to run to the police doesn't change the actual act. It's sort of disgusting, honestly. It's sort of like this hypothetical question: If you could rape someone in REAL LIFE but she would never remember you did it and nobody else would find out...would you still do it?

I could no more force myself, in a dream, to go against my morals than I could in real life. Your mind is your mind and what you fill it with is a reflection of yourself.

It's absolutely nothing like that. In that situation, someone would still be hurt, even if they wouldn't be able to remember it afterwards. I wouldn't be able to do something like that in that situation either, because I'd know I'd be hurting someone. That's horrible.

But the people in lucid dreams don't freaking exist. Simple as that. Why would having sex with someone who isn't freaking conscious be immoral?

In a hypothetical situation, where no one would remember anything afterwards, raping someone would be IMMORAL.

In a lucid dreaming, "raping" someone doesn't hurt anyone. Someone's gotta agree with me.

jeffreydc, I am not quite sure what you expected us to do when you opened this thread. I can think of three possibilities:

1.) Debate whether you could be charged with rape.
2.) Help you come to terms with your own moral values.
3.) Judge your dream in the context of our morality.

As for 1.)
I can't speak for all countries and I don't know where you live, but I believe that in most countries you have nothing to worry about.

As for 2.)
I guess it all boils down to whether or not you think that moral values apply to thoughts. Because that's what dreams are: thoughts. It's all in your mind. Is the thought/dream of raping someone morally wrong or just the act of doing it in real life? It feels like I have just rephrased your question. I guess it depends on how you feel about it. You are the one who is most qualified to talk about your own moral values, so I don't think we can help you much there.

As for 3.)
I'm afraid, I can't help you here much either. I'm an incurable relativist and an unmoral person, too. I understand that morality exists only in relation to a social or cultural context and (un)fortunately I have no moral values of my own. I am simply not concerned with morality. That doesn't mean that I'm immoral. Most of the time I adhere to the moral standards of society, simply because it is practical. It also doesn't mean that I have not opinion on moral questions. My opinions are simply not morally founded.

About the topic at hand I can only say: If I wanted to rape people in my dreams, I would do it.

Originally Posted by jasonresno

Then why make the initial post?

Auuggghh. Not so obvious troll is revealed.

so if i'm convinced that the other opinion is silly, yet still voice my opinion, that makes me a troll?

...not sure if you know what troll means...

Philo it sounds like you didnt read what I wrote.

Lol once I tried to have sex with a girl in a lucid dream and when she saw my penis she laughed but I ignored it and she just shrugged and continued

Originally Posted by jeffreydc

I always thought that my dream characters were mindless beings simply there for my amusement. Perhaps I was wrong?

Your behavior in an LD depends on what you think dreams actually are.

The materialistic view would be that dreams are the random and arbitrary creations of your brain. That they have no reality outside your brain. They are entirely "yours."

A yogi, on the other hand, would say that dreams are nightly experiences on the astral plane. A yogi would say that there are a multitude of other REAL BEINGS on the astral plane, and that dreams are not entirely "yours".

In addition, yogis believe that the astral plane is where events first appear. Astral events are a dress rehearsal for real events in physical reality. It is even possible to influence and change "astral events" before they materialize in physical reality. This is not to say that all dream events materialize; they obviously don't. And dreams are often symbolic, so even when they do, it will usually not be a literal materialization. But prophetic dreams do happen. Some astral events DO materialize, and you have some control and some responsibility over this.

If you buy the yogi point of view, you should behave yourself on the astral plane. That's not to say that you shouldn't have fun. Fun's okay. But violence of any kind is not a good idea.

Ask first! :--)

Originally Posted by jasonresno

Gotta love opinions with nothing to back them.

I hope I'm not the only one who lol'd at this.