Thread: Am I a rapist?

Sure, dream characters could be real beings. But couldn't the ground beneath you also be a conscious being just as well? Does that stop you from walking? Couldn't baseball gloves be the true sentient beings in our world? Should we stop throwing baseballs to each other at this thought? We could be hurting them. What about those Goombas in Super Mario Brothers? They could be conscious too! Let's stop playing Super Mario Brothers, we could be hurting them!

Originally Posted by MJMax

Sure, dream characters could be real beings. But couldn't the ground beneath you also be a conscious being just as well? Does that stop you from walking? Couldn't baseball gloves be the true sentient beings in our world? Should we stop throwing baseballs to each other at this thought? We could be hurting them. What about those Goombas in Super Mario Brothers? They could be conscious too! Let's stop playing Super Mario Brothers, we could be hurting them!

I see why Philosopher gets frustrated. Sorry for the jab, but your level of reading comprehension is pretty low, neh? If you had payed attention, you'd see I never claimed DCs were sentient. In fact, if anything, I've been suggestion the opposite is true.

Also, even if I had made the claim that DCs are sentient, your counter points are silly and downright laughable. They add nothing to this conversation, except blatant ignorance toward the issue at hand.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I see why Philosopher gets frustrated. Sorry for the jab, but your level of reading comprehension is pretty low, neh? If you had payed attention, you'd see I never claimed DCs were sentient. In fact, if anything, I've been suggestion the opposite is true.

Also, even if I had made the claim that DCs are sentient, your counter points are silly and downright laughable. They add nothing to this conversation, except blatant ignorance toward the issue at hand.

What point are you trying to make, then? You say that there is no way to prove objectively that any one of us exists, and that the same is true of dreams. Are you trying to prove that there is no way to discern objectively what exists, between the dream world and reality?

What do you consider "existence?" Since the "issue" at hand here is whether "rape" in dreams is immoral, I'd assume that by "existence" you mean sentience. After all, if dreams are merely projections of the brain, they do exist in your brain, even if they are merely unconscious perceptions.

Calling arguments laughable and saying someone is being "blatantly ignorant to the 'issue' at hand" adds nothing to the conversation.

Originally Posted by MJMax

What point are you trying to make, then? You say that there is no way to prove objectively that any one of us exists, and that the same is true of dreams. Are you trying to prove that there is no way to discern objectively what exists, between the dream world and reality?

Spot on. This realization effectively nullifies the argument that it's okay to rape DCs because they "don't exist."

Originally Posted by MJMax

What do you consider "existence?" Since the "issue" at hand here is whether "rape" in dreams is immoral, I'd assume that by "existence" you mean sentience. After all, if dreams are merely projections of the brain, they do exist in your brain, even if they are merely unconscious perceptions.

You're getting close here. By existence, I mean anything that lays outside my perception of reality, of its own accord. You said yourself "dreams are merely projections of the brain." The same can be said of the waking world. For all intents and purposes, we are living in a dream. When we sleep, what forms around us becomes our reality.

Originally Posted by MJMax

Calling arguments laughable and saying someone is being "blatantly ignorant to the 'issue' at hand" adds nothing to the conversation.

You are completely right. It was a spiteful way to discredit your idea, and I apologize.

HEy I just thought of something. Was the DC trying to resist and fight and get away? or was it just something like she sat there and did whatever but you could tell she would rather be somewhere else?

Oh and I have controlled dream people before but what I did was put my conciousness inside the DC and basically posessed them. I guess there are other ways to do it though.

if she was resisting and fighting i wouldnt care i would punch her (ofc i wouldnt do it irl but i feel so free in my dreams to litterally do whatever i feel) one time i pissed on someone that was annoying me and i sometimes walk around a city butt naked (in the dream lol)

You know, I've been thinking. This might sound completely dumb, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. If there's anything wrong with raping someone in a dream, then it must be in a regular dream. In a lucid dream, some people would say it's okay because since they're lucid, they understand that the "victim" isn't real, and there are no consequences. However, if you rape someone in a normal dream, that would actually be much worse because in a normal dream you think everything is completely real, and you go about things as if they WERE real. What I'm trying to say is, whatever it is you do in a normal dream, I think it's safe to say that that's what you would actually do if it were real life.

I doubt this applies to everyone, but almost everytime I review a normal dream, I conclude, "yeh that's exactly what I would've done if it were real". Anyways, does anyone see my point here? Forget lucids, I think it's what you do in your non-lucid dreams that matter. It's easy to do stuff in lucids because hey, you know it's not real. But if you had a non-lucid dream in which you raped someone, then that's probably when you wake up and think "What the fuck, did I really just do that?". I hope I haven't offended anyone. Just something I've been thinking about.

It's a good thought, but your state of consciousness within dreams, waking life, and lucid dreams are all drastically different. It is inaccurate to assume what you'd do in one, is what you'd do in the other.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

It's a good thought, but your state of consciousness within dreams, waking life, and lucid dreams are all drastically different. It is inaccurate to assume what you'd do in one, is what you'd do in the other.

Mzzk I agree. In dreams I sometimes do things I wouldnt do in waking.

Is anyone interested in a shared dream where I rape you? No amphibians or freaks.


(joking)

If your next lucid dream takes place in a court room, then yes..

Well, to shock you even more, I am a girl and once I had a dream that I was a guy and I also forced a girl to have sex with me. When doing it I was aware that maybe it wasn't such a nice thing to do, but I also wanted to know how it feels. If it was today, I don't think I would do it anymore, for many reasons.
I have come to know that what we do in dreams generates karma just like what we do in wake life - if you don't accept the law of action-reaction, then you won't swallow it, but I do, so I am actually now using my dreams to get more control of my mind and not to go crazy and do whatever I feel like.
Even if you don't accept karma or karma in dreams, at least consider that what you do in dreams shapes your mind - if you get a taste on forcing girls into sex while dreaming, you're likely to become more rough with them when you're awake, because you are feeding this habit, tendency or pattern of behaviour in your dreams. You might not believe it for now, but eventually it will change you.
Then, if you believe in the possibility of dream sharing (and I am one of those who had experienced it) it's better not to mess up with the DC, because you don't know which ones are your projections and which ones are actual dreamers happening to be sharing a dream with you. It's not nice to be raped on a dream by another dreamer who thinks it's ok, because it's just their imagination. I have also been victim of dream rape by some random guy (I guess karma for having forced the other girl) and it wasn't nice and I believe he wasn't just my projection but actually some dreamer having reckless fun. Boys will be boys, but please get a little more control over your dick, even in dreams it can hurt unintended people.

Internet arguments.

This thread is still going? Horny kid wanted sex but had a moral dilema when he realized that normally, you can't just grab and randomly do a chick, but since it was a dream, he could do anything. The simple acknowledgement of the difference between reality and dream shows that he understands.

Yeah, just look at Conan. Now that was hot sex.

My opinion: It's your dream. Choosing to rape someone won't make you rape someone in real life, but it might, just might indicate a desire to. One can surmise that there is clearly a subliminal desire to force yourself onto someone (not talking about Jeff, more about the other chaps who say they like it), but no one, not even yourself, can understand if those desires will ever overpower your morality. Making the entire debate moot.

Use some dream logic, tell her she has to have sex because the moon has a hole in it and it will burn your shoes up if you don't get laid.

Originally Posted by Moose

Use some dream logic, tell her she has to have sex because the moon has a hole in it and it will burn your shoes up if you don't get laid.

I like your style, friend.

Jesus people stop the debating its not a big deal he wanted to have sex in a lucid dream so he made it happen we all knwo he's not gonna do it in real life its perfectly fine basically he just masturbated no big deal

Originally Posted by GabrielG

Jesus people stop the debating its not a big deal he wanted to have sex in a lucid dream so he made it happen we all knwo he's not gonna do it in real life its perfectly fine basically he just masturbated no big deal

That's true. People have allowed themselves to be hooked and "snagged" on the sexual morality side of dreams. It's just human nature I suppose.

It's not a big deal, I've tried to have sex too (on my first lucid) and I didn't even ask. But don't do it all the time or you might just end up doing it in real life.

Half the time in my Lucids and regular dreams alike the girls just basically throw it on me. It reflects how I am in real life though. I could have gotten laid so many times in real life but Im still a virgin because I am the shiest guy you will ever see around. In real life it would have to basically be thrown on me for me to take it. Though sometimes very rarely it will be my "idea" in a dream and the DCs never resist.

Yeah, I once had to wake myself up from dreamsex with this French babe because the three Latino chicks I'd banged the night before in real life wanted morning sex.

And, why do we need a place to practice behavior? Are we born wise and sane, or must we learn to become it?

I dont know what side you are on. But ill give my opinion. I think we must learn to become it. Like shame, nobody would be ashamed to walk around naked unless society tought them that. If you were born an adult would you have any problem being naked?

Back to the topic. Did you become lucid and say "i want to rape that girl."? No you said i want to have sex. She was resisting but you knew that you didnt have much time so you had to do the deed with an unwilling partner.

The other question you need to ask yourself is. "would you even ASK a stranger if they wanted to have sex? Probably not. But everyone has there own opinion and thats okay. Your intitled to your beliefs and morals. But just look at it from a differient angle.

Oh yeah i would like to note that the girl in the dream never even said she didnt want to do it. Just because you werent the one she would want to have sex with doesnt mean that you raped her, and it doesnt mean she wasnt willing.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Oh yeah i would like to note that the girl in the dream never even said she didnt want to do it. Just because you werent the one she would want to have sex with doesnt mean that you raped her, and it doesnt mean she wasnt willing.

Originally Posted by jeffreydc

She wasnt a very "willing" partner but went along with the program anyhow. It was weird that this dream character that I created had her own identity and went along with it even though I could tell she didnt want to.

This thread is still hilarious by the way.

Originally Posted by Xel

This thread is still hilarious by the way.

Yes, yes it is.