I dont want to lucid dream

**leah521** · 02-23-2011 05:48 AM

I never mean to lucid dream, nor want to. I accidently realize I'm dreaming, I guess through unwanted reality checks. But I haven't learned how to control it. I love reality, i get really freaked out when I feel like I'm in a different one. Right when I find out I'm dreaming, the only thing I've learned how to do it wake myself immedialy usually making myself rub my eyes or shake my head in my dream. And then I usually am afraid to fall back asleep and lucid dream again. I have had a few where I've controlled small parts, but most of the time I just want to wake up because I haven't learned to change the dream I was just in into something I like, most of the time its something scary that happens that clues me into the fact that I'm dreaming. Anyways I need to learn how to either stop it completely or control them completely because its affected my sleep quite abit, I lucid dream almost nightly.

**bust113** · 02-23-2011 06:27 AM

Geez, what I would give to have that. To control your dreams you just have to expect what you want to happen to happen, then it will happen. Control in dreams is actually quite easy (Though I haven't had one since I was little), the biggest problem that people have is that they:

A. Aren't actually lucid, it is just part of the dream.
B. Don't expect the stuff to really happen, you have to expect something to happen in your dream for it to actually happen.

And if you don't want to be lucid (WTH IS YOUR PROBLEM!!?!?!??!!!?!), then close your dream eyes and think "I am not dreaming".

**Kaira** · 02-23-2011 06:29 AM

Why? Why?! Why wouldn't you want to lucid dream? o__o I am so jealous of you. What is so bad about knowing that you're dreaming? Do you want to just be oblivious in your dreams? Can you not control anything in your dreams, or can you control too much? I really can't understand why anyone would not want to lucid dream. Do you never fantasize of doing impossible things such as flying or visiting another world.

Well...I guess if you love reality so much it kind of makes sense...a little...maybe. I really just can't comprehend it, which is probably because pretty much all I do is think of how I would like to have special abilities and be able to go to another world, maybe even unhealthily so. Well, it's not that I hate reality, I just think it would be cool to live a double life. I guess it's good that at least most of my dreams have fantasy type things...

**Requiem** · 02-23-2011 06:34 AM

when you realize you are dreaming, lie down on the ground and go to sleep

**Binsk** · 02-23-2011 06:37 AM

Interesting issue. One thing, make up your mind now, do you want to control your lucids, or lose your lucids? 'Cause to control them, it takes practice and will require you to stay in them, which obviously won't go well with trying to lose them.

1) To practice controlling them, do as M. said above, expect things to happen. Ever watched the movie 'The Matrix'? It is exactly like that. If you haven't seen it, basically everything you strongly believe will happen (whether good or bad) will happen. It is all in your brain so it is easy to manipulate whether on purpose or on accident. It just takes practice and determination to build this confidence. The next time something scary occurs, try to make yourself laugh as if it was something silly (while still in the dream) and confront the issue in a friendly manner asking it to change to something else. Expect it to agree, since after all you asked nicely and in a friendly way, and it should change without issue.

2) I can't really say how to "stop having lucids" but I can give you hints on how to fall out of lucidity. The big one here is that since lucidity is awareness of the dream state, you need to find a way to lose this awareness. Well this isn't all to hard, because your awareness is constantly shifting and if you don't put an effort into maintain a solid state of awareness (lucidity) then it will be lost. So to put it simply, while in the dream, don't pay attention to lucidity, just go along with the story as if it were real and you should lose lucidity relatively quickly. Waking up, of course, knocks you out of the dream state so you can re-enter without that awareness, but waking up every night is a pain so just practice losing this awareness. Hopefully your brain will get the hint and stop giving you lucids.

Anyway, hope one of these help you out. Personally, I would go for number 1 for multiple reasons. Of course, there is the excitement of being able to control your dreams, but also it seems to be an easier method. Simply asking the dream to change, I think, is an easier concept to handle than trying to trick yourself into forgetting something (that it is a dream). Also, option 1 can help you deal with nightmares in general as well.

EDIT: People, we don't need to hear "WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO BE LUCID?!?" in this topic, as will inevitably happen multiple times. The reason was given, and it is valid. Of course we are more likely to disagree as this is a LUCID DREAMING forum, but it gets annoying hearing it every other post. Sorry, a personal peeve, d'now if the topic starter shares it.

**Requiem** · 02-23-2011 06:47 AM

you don't need to lose this awareness

you could dissolve the dream instead and remain asleep

i don't know how to do that

**bust113** · 02-23-2011 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by -InsaneKid-

EDIT: People, we don't need to hear "WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO BE LUCID?!?" in this topic, as will inevitably happen multiple times. The reason was given, and it is valid. Of course we are more likely to disagree as this is a LUCID DREAMING forum, but it gets annoying hearing it every other post. Sorry, a personal peeve, d'now if the topic starter shares it.

Sorry, I was hesitant posting that part because I know some feelings could be hurt. But still, it bugs me of the people that don't think lucid dreams are cool. Today I was talking to someone about lucid dreaming and they said "Why on earth would you want to do that?", I just could not believe that someone wouldn't think doing whatever the heck you want is interesting. I got out a piece of paper to make a tally, asked everyone I came across what they think of the idea, I happily came up with: 16 for the idea of lucid dreaming, and 3 against it (which is only 18%). Anyways, go with option 1, TAKE THE RED PILL!!!! (Matrix reference).

**Binsk** · 02-23-2011 06:59 AM

@Requiem, as there is no input on how to do that, it really gets us nowhere doesn't it?

I have never heard of "dissolving" a dream, unless you mean having the dream crumble, like when losing clarity. However, as even when that happens you can still be lucid (and are prone to waking up) there are better methods of dealing with losing lucidity. I figure that since we all generally have trouble maintaining lucidity before practicing it, it shouldn't be that hard to lose when reversing the process of keeping it.

@M. No no, I can relate. I say this on the forums, however, because this is a forum dedicated to those who Lucid Dream, and it is obvious that we enjoy it and I am sure the topic starter knows this. So when people exclaim stuff like that it has always irked me, and I am sure others feel the same. No biggie, just thought I would post it so we don't get 20+ posts saying the same thing without actually helping (Which I have seen happen, which is why I said anything in the first place).

**Requiem** · 02-23-2011 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

Robert Wagonner mentions this in his book about lucid dreaming and the author of dream yogas also mentions this. Their view is that it is going beyond the normal dream construct to the "source". They also tell of experiences where they become one with the white light. Cool stuff.

quotes from this thread i brought back from the dead: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/dissolving-dream-17597/

**Binsk** · 02-24-2011 12:11 AM

Hm... sounds like making the dream fade? Or just changing the dream scene to emptiness?

**Hukif** · 02-24-2011 12:24 AM

Now lets hope the thread maker doesn't fears emptiness...
Anyway, if you don't want lucids, you can just close your eyes during the dream and meditate, not that hard, not that interesting either, but should save you the trouble of being scared.
Either that, or fight your fears. Many ways to do that, for example, try talking with whatever it is that scares you. If not, try teleporting, open a door and expect to be somewhere else, or do the close eyes and then try imagining a whole new scenario, stuff like that.

**proxide** · 02-25-2011 10:47 AM

spin around till you become a tornado, then everything will fear you!

**Shinice** · 02-27-2011 06:01 AM

lol some of us here really got into this 'mess' (to some) intentionally eh..?
while some struggling to dream as much as they cld.
same here, i'm tired of luciding every night..
If it doesn't occur every night, maybe i cld've liked it.
its tiring. the experiences felt SO real
such that when i lost someone in my dreams (failed to achieve aim to that dream -every of my dreams have things i need to realise in life,and to make changes)
, it affects me when i woke up. Sth like memory erase that kind of feeling..HAizzz

**chase** · 02-27-2011 06:32 PM

I would love to be lucid than non lucid in a dream. Being in an uncontrollable dream is "scarier" than being in one that you can control and know isn't real. At least that's what I believe. I guess a good idea would be to not think about your dreams or LDing and or reading the forums (at least before bed) if you don't want to trigger anymore lucids. Good luck! -Chase

**Raspberry** · 02-27-2011 07:11 PM

I kinda know how you feel. When I first thought about walking around and being conscious in something that isn't real (in a way) and when I'm actually in bed, asleep... I found it really creepy. But I was curious as well, and didn't/don't love reality the way you do.

All I can say is, lucid dreaming is an amazing oppurtunity that I don't think you should dismiss straight off. And if you think about it, you are still in reality, the entire time. It's just your brain doing weird things to you while you sleep. It happens every night, except you become aware of it. I say at least give it a chance.

Dream control will take a serious amount of effort to "master". But there are ways of making it better

There are some really good threads out there regarding dream control, and I urge you to look at the dream control section of the forum.

I used to do that same thing to wake myself up. I think everyone remembers having lucids as kids, but instead of going "I'm dreaming, let's explore!" like everyone else did, I just thought "Hmmmm... I'm dreaming. This is weird. Ah well, better wake myself up!" and then I'd shake my head until I did. I really wish I hadn't!

**Shinice** · 02-28-2011 02:29 AM

For me, I did not think abt lucid before i sleep..thats the prob man. I didn't think abt anything, its just my mind being stubbornly active throghout the night...

And I don't want to dismiss it. Just hoping that it wld let me off for just 1 night. I need my sleep T^T.
And there's also the 'daily routine' i need to complete in that dream (every dream diff.) So it'll be tiring. My friends in that dream's actually waiting for me, so i can't stop.

**bust113** · 02-28-2011 06:49 AM

Hey... Can I trade abilities to lucid dream with you, I think we would both be grateful.

**Shinice** · 02-28-2011 12:03 PM

OH I would like to do that, so lets sign a treaty and I'll get to sleep peacefully and have a clear morn.
...
Like it'll happen..lol I WANT TO SLEEP LEAVE ME ALONE.
Stop giving me missions aims targets to explode and accomplish every night I NEED TO REST.
Participated three dream events last night. Arh~tired..u shld appreciate yr sleep rest man~

**bust113** · 02-28-2011 04:44 PM

Ok, sorry, I was just kidding (though it would be nice).

And I don't get enough rest anyway, so lucid dreaming can't make it much worse.

**Shinice** · 03-01-2011 02:06 AM

No I was kidding -don't take it seriously ^_^ though i really hope i can do that with u haha-
Oh if u're already tired, than lucid won't make it worse.

**bust113** · 03-01-2011 02:18 AM

Yea, I have some kind of disorder where I am unable to fall asleep until far into the night, it really sucks. It is probably why I have troubles with lucid dreaming.

**Raspberry** · 03-02-2011 08:52 PM

Insomnia?

**kevojy** · 03-03-2011 01:17 AM

If I ever want to wake up I can just lie on the ground and before long I'll begin to feel my physical body. It's actually really cool. There's a point where I'm half in the dream and half out, I can feel the sheets of my bed and can even partially move, yet I can still see and hear the dream at the same time. Then the dream is just gone and I'm in bed. Thankfully I've never woken up with sleep paralysis or any hallucinations, it's just a nice easy transition back to wakefulness. It's a really weird/cool sensation so I'd suggest that you try it at least once, even if you don't want to wake up. But if something's scary then it should get you out of the dream pretty fast.

**bust113** · 03-03-2011 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Insomnia?

Yes. But not only can I not sleep, but no matter how much sleep I get, I am still always very tired. There is only one time I can ever remember when I was completely rested.