Originally Posted by Jakob
Nonsense. As I said, I have nothing about fantasies as long they remain fantasies. But with unstable/disturbed/aggressive individuals I don't see how feeding them with real-life "simulations" of having sex with children can lead to anything other than feeding the desires.
so, all pedophiles are automatically unstable/aggressive/disturbed? I was under the impression they had a different sexual attraction than you.
You wanted to portray me as intolerant person, and I gave you homosexuality as a perfect example that I am completely tolerant to people with other sexual orientations. Pedophilia on the other hand is something else, and you simply cannot put the two in the same basket, claiming it is "just an orientation." According to Mayo Clinic, 95% of child sexual abuse incidents are commited by those who meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia. These victims are age 12 and younger. You my friend, do not know what you are talking about.
That's nice. Now how about a statistic that compares the number of pedophiles who do nothing to the number of pedos who actually molest children. I'm sure you'll find the results surprising.
Why? I have cured a major phobia through lucid dreaming, and this is evidence enough for me that it is completely possible.
Oh do tell. What did you cure yourself of? How bad was it to start with? How bad is it to this day?
Ah, but shapeshifting into an alien and shooting people up in dreams is not the same as being a pedophile - a person with a strong desire to have sex with children. This is a dangerous deviance, and not just an orientation as you so lightly put it. If what I cited above (that 95% of sexual abuse incidents are by pedophiles) means nothing to you, then I cannot help you.
You seem to be confusing your statistics. If there are, for the sake of argument, 1 million pedos in America right now, and 950 molest children out of 1000 cases per year (for the sake of argument), you can't say that all pedos are bad or deviants. Your statistic means absolutely nothing. At that rate, only .095% of pedophiles are a problem.
Nonsense. It is not an entirely different class of people because of what I cited above. It is just one example among many, and here is another one for you:
Insane people are unable to distinguish fantasy from reality. They are unable to determine the consequences of their actions. The vast majority of pedophiles are not insane.
Pedophilic child molesters commit ten times more sexual acts against children than non-pedophilic child molesters. (Mayo Clinic)
Oh you mean that .095% figure. So they molest children, eh? Wow, didn't see that one coming. How about the other 99.905% of the pedophile population that does absolutely nothing wrong?
Please don't twist what I said. Among pedophiles are also decent people, and I have never denied that. They control their desires as much as they can, and would never attempt to abuse a child. The question is are the majority of pedophiles decent people, statistically speaking? The answer is no, according to hundreds of studies and statistics.
Please take a statistics class before drawing such terribly wrong conclusions.
Complete sidestep.
Rape play - Harmless, between two consenting adults.
BDSM - Harmless as well.
Incest - I don't encourage it, but if people want to do it, it's ok, unless they force their family members to have sex with them.
Your argument is positioned on what appears to be two main factors:
1. the fallacious notion that having pedophilic dreams will cause them to happen in reality
2. that it's icky.
So now, if we can strike #2 off the list, you've still got the fallacious notion that dreaming of it causes it to happen. Now, I honestly have a desire to rob a bank, both in reality and in the dream land. But no matter how much I dream of it, I won't rob a real bank. Why? Because doing so has consequences. It would be far from my best interest to actually engage in that activity. No matter how consumed I am with the notion, no matter how well I plan it out, I'm not going to act. Spending the rest of my life in jail is not worth the 5-minute thrill of robbing a bank. I know this, and every sane person knows this.
Oh please. You have just lost all credibility you may have had.
Ooh, nice ad hoc.
But the question is if you knew what his dreams are, would you allow it? You are full of it.
Let's assume he's a professional babysitter. Been doing this for ages. No problems whatsoever. Why would he suddenly rape my child? He's got a job he can enjoy without going to prison, a steady income, and he's not a complete fucking looney. As far as I'm concerned, he's harmless.
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