My friend thinks that lucid dreaming isn't real or 'it isn't possible to the degree people claim.'

I've had two brief low level lucid dreams so far so I know it exists to a degree, I also assume it's possible to have incredibly vivid lucid ones as there is a massive community of people doing it...

I heard Stephen Laberge 'proved' it by moving his eyes in a set pattern eg. up,left,up,down,right etc. Does that work..? Is that how REM works? Does moving your eyes left in your LD make your eyes go left in the real world? Is there anyway to prove it?



You need to be unconscious to be sleeping.
You can't be conscious and unconscious.

That's what he said. I can't find a way to convince him . I'm rambling on but it's odd.