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Here's a DILD tutorial Found it in the "stuck" threads in this subforum.

What I do is observe, everything...

Look at shadows, feel the way the wind is blowing and see if the trees leaves sway in the same direction, watch how something falls and question if it's logical or not. If you see something wrong or question something then RC. I preferably like to use the nose pinch one.

This method is basically another Awareness one but it helps me.

This time try not to use a fundamentally flawed technique such as DILD. DILD is illogical, and the people it works for are the exception, not the rule.

WILD, on the other hand, works for most everyone as long as they go into it without stupid preconceptions, like "it's too hard", "it hurts", "you have to lie still", "you have to get paralyzed", etc. etc. Check out the guide in my sig.

Ahh, Am finally back to start lucid dreaming again, hoping that maybe this time I actually get a LD So guys please update me on some Good DILD induction guides, which i still am a newbie at >.> Here's hoping to a successful restart.

Hi Sarim, I was wondering where have you been. Nice you made it back.

If you like, you can join me in my DILD class. I can help you with personalized guidance.

And to the contrary what cmind thinks, DILD is a great technique that works for majority of lucid dreamers. Sooner or later, everybody gets a DILD.

In the meantime, you can check out this Collection of techniques for DILD.

Happy dreams

gab, I've had a few DILDs myself. But discovering WILD is what got me from a few lucids and massive frustration to hundreds of lucids and confidence that I can lucid dream almost any time I want.

The following is my opinion:

Non-lucid dreams are, for all intents and purposes, psychotic episodes. Trying to DILD is like a schizophrenic trying to cure himself spontaneously during his own pyschosis. It can happen, but you're starting from a position of weakness.

Or, think of it this way: getting lucid is like trying to roll a big boulder up a hill. DILD is like starting at the bottom of the hill and trying to push the boulder all the way up, whereas WILD is like starting on top of another hill, rolling the boulder down and gaining momentum, then rolling up the other hill. WILD starts from the waking state, DILD starts from the delusional state. Why would WILD not be better?

gab, I've had a few DILDs myself. But discovering WILD is what got me from a few lucids and massive frustration to hundreds of lucids and confidence that I can lucid dream almost any time I want.

The following is my opinion:

Non-lucid dreams are, for all intents and purposes, psychotic episodes. Trying to DILD is like a schizophrenic trying to cure himself spontaneously during his own pyschosis. It can happen, but you're starting from a position of weakness.

Or, think of it this way: getting lucid is like trying to roll a big boulder up a hill. DILD is like starting at the bottom of the hill and trying to push the boulder all the way up, whereas WILD is like starting on top of another hill, rolling the boulder down and gaining momentum, then rolling up the other hill. WILD starts from the waking state, DILD starts from the delusional state. Why would WILD not be better?

cmind, I don't doubt that WILD is better for you, if you say so. But wouldn't you agree, that everybody should try anything they like and then make their own opinion? For huge amount of people DILD works like a charm. Some people are better at DILDs and some are better at WILDs. But unless you try, how do you know?

I bet you started with DILDs and then you switched to WILDs. You and me, we all went through trial and error and greatly benefited from that. Why would you wanna deny this valuable learning process to others?

I don't really agree with your comparison of methods.

I see both methods as equal. With WILD being more advanced.

I'm a fan of giving people information and options and it's up to them to figure out what works for them and what not. Both methods have their pluses and minuses.

I do practice for DILD, but I also WILD every chance I get. And honestly, I don't think I would have had a WILD, have I tried that before I had a few DILDs under my belt and better understanding of the whole process and mindset and pretty much everything else.

If you look at my DILD class, I do talk to students about WILDs and DEILDs also, if I notice that would be more benefitial for them to try. Happy dreams to all.

Cmind you should research hukif on here and on his other sites. He finished the task of the year in a week. He is in 2012 task of the year thread if you can't find him. He is proof that DILD can work like a boss if that is what fits you.

Cmind you should research hukif on here and on his other sites. He finished the task of the year in a week. He is in 2012 task of the year thread if you can't find him. He is proof that DILD can work like a boss if that is what fits you.

And it's not just hukif. I have hear from others, that they can have a DILD pretty much any day they want to, but not 100% success rate. And I also heard from WILD masters, that they have high success rate, but not 100%.

It's all just a matter of figuring out, what works for you personally.

Cmind, DILD is not a fundamentally flawed technique. The entire purpose of DILD is that we learn to recognize our dream and in general be closer to awareness at all times. It is fact an art that can be mastered to a point where one can DILD on demand just like WILD. It just so happens that I am in favour of learning both DEILD and DILD, because it allows me to have spontaneous dreams without even trying and chain them for almost 2 or 3 hours. Like gab said everyone is good at one or another technique.

Consider piano players. I could say that people who do not do grades and teach themselves are starting at the bottom of the hill, by not learning the theory they are making it harder for themselves. Yet some of the best piano players I have ever met are self taught.

gab, what are the "minuses" of WILD as compared to DILD? Maybe I can dispel them for you.

And does anybody actually understand my point about DILD being akin to a schizophrenic spontaneously becoming normal? Does it need further explanation?

gab, what are the "minuses" of WILD as compared to DILD? Maybe I can dispel them for you.

And does anybody actually understand my point about DILD being akin to a schizophrenic spontaneously becoming normal? Does it need further explanation?

cmind, I have no problem with your belief, that DILD sucks and WILD is the king. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. Could you please give me the same courtesy?

I don't know how schizophrenic feels. Do you? Well, I don't and I don't wish to.

All I know, that my DILD induced lucid feels the same as WILD induced lucid.

Only difference is, that in the DILD, I remember I'm sleeping in my bed after I get lucid, while in WILD, I know that from the beginning.

And the main minus of WILD is same as for a DILD. Neither method is 100% successfull. I don't think I need to list the differences of these two methods.

"Non-lucid dreams are, for all intents and purposes, psychotic episodes. Trying to DILD is like a schizophrenic trying to cure himself spontaneously during his own pyschosis. It can happen, but you're starting from a position of weakness"

schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness. Common symptoms include auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction - wikipedia

Your comparison is weak, waking in a dream and curing your schizophrenia is definetaly not the same. A schizophrenic patient is usually delusional and lives in false reality of which he is convinced is true. A dream however is founded upon our walking life and expectations. With intent it is easy to teach the brain how to spot that it is a dream, there is no self imposed barrier like paranoia or delusion which stops us from questioning our reality. Through the use of prospective memory we can remember to question reality when we are in our dream. You make it sound as if we are mindless idiots in a non-lucid, on the contrary we are just representations of our walking life. Therefore whatever you do in walking life can be reflected into a dream.

Hey man, welcome back and good luck!

Most important is, Always do best.. and never give up!

Well I am a failure in both DILD and WILD I guess XD Considering the fact that I am stuck at a specific point in both techniques =\

IN DILD: I had developed sufficient dream recall and quite a hefty dream journal but still it never went further than that which was a real let down.

IN WILD: I just can't go past sleep paralysis, honestly i don't even know if I have entered it, It takes 10-15 minutes to enter that numb state so infused with sleep paralysis but it just doesn't go further than that, I keep my body still for another 20-25 mins but to no avail, the numbness does increase but stops at a point, and yeah this is not a one time experience, i have tried it quite a few times and not without sleep, I read somewhere that having 3-4 hours of sleep under your belt can really boost your chances of having a successful WILD but it seems that's not the case with me =\

If you tell yourself your a failure and this and that.. u will definitely fail!

I think it should be good for you to practice All Day Awareness!
http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/naiyas...secrets-61802/

Scroll to post #6 to read about Awareness.

If u feel that's not enough information, then i would recommend you to sign up for Dream Yoga lesson's.
Can be found here: Dream Yoga (Sivason)

I also just started with dream yoga, it's really something different than it say's, first thought was those super stretchy people with their legs folded into their neck etc etc. Really, it's so much different.

If u do these 2 things, and do all the Dream Yoga lesson's.. u build up so much Awareness.. and i think that's what YOU need, since Awareness is the key to become lucid.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by sarimdesert

Well I am a failure in both DILD and WILD I guess XD Considering the fact that I am stuck at a specific point in both techniques =\

IN DILD: I had developed sufficient dream recall and quite a hefty dream journal but still it never went further than that which was a real let down.

IN WILD: I just can't go past sleep paralysis, honestly i don't even know if I have entered it, It takes 10-15 minutes to enter that numb state so infused with sleep paralysis but it just doesn't go further than that, I keep my body still for another 20-25 mins but to no avail, the numbness does increase but stops at a point, and yeah this is not a one time experience, i have tried it quite a few times and not without sleep, I read somewhere that having 3-4 hours of sleep under your belt can really boost your chances of having a successful WILD but it seems that's not the case with me =\

There is a new WILD (sageous) tutorial, which is really excellent. It will explain in details the whole process. It will be much easier to WILD after you read it. Good luck.

Originally Posted by sarimdesert

Well I am a failure in both DILD and WILD I guess XD Considering the fact that I am stuck at a specific point in both techniques =\

IN DILD: I had developed sufficient dream recall and quite a hefty dream journal but still it never went further than that which was a real let down.

IN WILD: I just can't go past sleep paralysis, honestly i don't even know if I have entered it, It takes 10-15 minutes to enter that numb state so infused with sleep paralysis but it just doesn't go further than that, I keep my body still for another 20-25 mins but to no avail, the numbness does increase but stops at a point, and yeah this is not a one time experience, i have tried it quite a few times and not without sleep, I read somewhere that having 3-4 hours of sleep under your belt can really boost your chances of having a successful WILD but it seems that's not the case with me =\

For WILD I know what you are talking about, it can be easier to get to that numb state before having slept but it is not actually what you are meant to be aiming for. We want to loose focus of our body when WILDing and try to get closer to a dreaming state.