Thread: MILD Question

If you're talking about "waking up" as in "getting lucid", it's very hard. MILD is all about prospective memory, which is a type of memory based on the future, like your intent of becoming lucid when you go to sleep.

The deal about prospective memory is that it's hard to recognize the queue if you don't have aids to help you remembering your intention. That's why it's easier to use MILD with concrete things, like dream signs or reocurrent dream situations (like fear/anxiety) than it is to simply train yourself to wake up at X time. There's a more complex talk about this, but non-related to prospective memory, which can easily be expressed on the situation of many people waking up without alarms. That's something you can try to achieve with CAT

If you're trying to simply wake yourself up, yes, this article can tell you all about the information you're interested

I can wake up at any time I choose. Whether or not it is "at the end of each REM", "3 o'clock", or "in two hours." I recommend it to everyone because if you wake up with an alarm clock you don't go through the natural progression of waking up.

Edit: if that is what you are asking. MILD is a way to use intent to lucid dream. I think what you are talking about is just using intent to wake up on command.

Originally Posted by zoth00

If you're talking about "waking up" as in "getting lucid", it's very hard. MILD is all about prospective memory, which is a type of memory based on the future, like your intent of becoming lucid when you go to sleep.

The deal about prospective memory is that it's hard to recognize the queue if you don't have aids to help you remembering your intention. That's why it's easier to use MILD with concrete things, like dream signs or reocurrent dream situations (like fear/anxiety) than it is to simply train yourself to wake up at X time. There's a more complex talk about this, but non-related to prospective memory, which can easily be expressed on the situation of many people waking up without alarms. That's something you can try to achieve with CAT

If you're trying to simply wake yourself up, yes, this article can tell you all about the information you're interested

Heh, alright, thanks.

Well yeah, that's all I mean, basically ordering myself to literally wake up at a specific time (like around 5 hours of being asleep) to much more easily/naturally attempt a WBTB.

Think I have no chance at all of CAT atm, absolutely no stability to my sleep schedule as it is

Also, why did I have no notifications of your responses? was unaware of them till now and would've responded sooner.

Edit: Well, the problem with me with that, is that I pretty much have NO consistency to my dreams whatsoever.

Like, there have been a few times of recurring locations, but somewhat rarely, and they're always representations/misrepresentations of real locations (which of course is a dreamsign in itself, but I don't always recognize it as a dream, though I HAVE become lucid in almost every dream that was a representation of my house, and managed to fly a little in them )

But yeah, most of the time I dream, it's a randomly generated location, a place I've never seen before, with occasionally maybe some elements of places I've been for real.

Also, I pretty much never become lucid anymore anyway, though I of course attempt to via MILD some nights.

I was doing AWESOME when I started! vivid dreams every night, actually becoming lucid VERY frequently, with some awesome experiences in there, and actually even WILDing bY accident the 1st night I officially tried WBTB, resulting in an awesome LD I'll never forget.....

....But over time, it actually all went to shit, vividness going down, hardly any lucids, and my recall went to shit for awhile too.

Well, one very obvious potential reason, would be that sometime in there, I stopped journaling.

I just got sick of it, basically sitting down for over an hour usually, sometimes even well beyond, writing down literally EVERYTHING I could remember.

Although I actually DO have pretty good recall just on my own, able to remember parts of dreams and actually maintain those memories for sometimes days, just on my own.

And those memories also DO sometimes get stored in my permanent memory too, though they kind of remain dormant in a way and get randomly triggered.

Well, dunno if it's entirely my fault though, our family also ran into some really rough times for awhile in there not so long ago also. Things ARE being resolved though.

Alright, well, I'm sorry for my excessively long Edit, I hope you're able to help.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

I can wake up at any time I choose. Whether or not it is "at the end of each REM", "3 o'clock", or "in two hours." I recommend it to everyone because if you wake up with an alarm clock you don't go through the natural progression of waking up.

Edit: if that is what you are asking. MILD is a way to use intent to lucid dream. I think what you are talking about is just using intent to wake up on command.

K, how?

Please describe the means by which you acomplish this.....

Originally Posted by CrazedGunmang96

why did I have no notifications of your responses?

Did you subscribe under Thread Tools at the top of the page? I don't know though - the site seems to be pretty unstable lately, maybe subs aren't working too well.

Anywho, I can recommend 2 methods for waking yourself up without using an alarm. One is simply to drink a big glass of water before you go to bed. This usually makes me wake after about 4 hours - you can either get up and go to the bathroom or just stay in bed - even though it feels like you really need to relieve yourself you really don't unless you have bladder control problems - another few hours with a full bladder won't cause any issues.

The other method is to set your intention by writing in your DJ before going to sleep - something along the lines of "I wake after each dream and remember to lie still and recall the dream". I set my intention this way once and it worked for several weeks afterwards!

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Did you subscribe under Thread Tools at the top of the page? I don't know though - the site seems to be pretty unstable lately, maybe subs aren't working too well.

Anywho, I can recommend 2 methods for waking yourself up without using an alarm. One is simply to drink a big glass of water before you go to bed. This usually makes me wake after about 4 hours - you can either get up and go to the bathroom or just stay in bed - even though it feels like you really need to relieve yourself you really don't unless you have bladder control problems - another few hours with a full bladder won't cause any issues.

The other method is to set your intention by writing in your DJ before going to sleep - something along the lines of "I wake after each dream and remember to lie still and recall the dream". I set my intention this way once and it worked for several weeks afterwards!

Alright, noob question, but where is that button?

Haha, yeah, definately aware of the water trick.

But how to do it at specific times as you mentioned?

And well, I dunno, I kind of gave up on DJing anyway as you can read above, also, well with MILD, is it a requirement I only stick to one mantra/intention and nothing else? basically I switch around mantras almost every time, although I think I've kinda lost faith in MILD anyway

Guess I've kind of been quitting with LDing anyway, although no, I DO still try, but have almost no success anymore.

Originally Posted by CrazedGunmang96

K, how?

Please describe the means by which you acomplish this.....

Okay, when you wake up at the same time every day your mind automatically starts waking you up before it because it is bad to be woken by it. So to start I would just use that as a help. Say you normally wake up at 7, set your alarm to 7:05 and when you go to sleep 7 over and over. After a week you should be waking up at 7. Next try picking a random time in the night, like 3. When you go to sleep think it over and over. You should wake up then after about a week. When you wake up this way it is easier to get back to sleep, so you don't need to worry about it unless you often have insomnia. After a while you should just be able to think "I want to wake up at 4" once before you go to sleep and you will wake up then. Or think "wake up every REM cycle." And you can move onto a different mantra after you get waking at certain time down.

Note: less effective if you aren't sleeping enough. Always set an alarm as back up for work and things like this.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

Okay, when you wake up at the same time every day your mind automatically starts waking you up before it because it is bad to be woken by it. So to start I would just use that as a help. Say you normally wake up at 7, set your alarm to 7:05 and when you go to sleep 7 over and over. After a week you should be waking up at 7. Next try picking a random time in the night, like 3. When you go to sleep think it over and over. You should wake up then after about a week. When you wake up this way it is easier to get back to sleep, so you don't need to worry about it unless you often have insomnia. After a while you should just be able to think "I want to wake up at 4" once before you go to sleep and you will wake up then. Or think "wake up every REM cycle." And you can move onto a different mantra after you get waking at certain time down.

Note: less effective if you aren't sleeping enough. Always set an alarm as back up for work and things like this.

Alright, thx.

Well, can that apply to any mantra then?

Also, well 2 conflicting factors in general for WBTB for me anyway though:

A: If I'm awake for too long in any kind of significant daylight, I just CAN'T get back to sleep, that or have a very hard time.

B: If I'm significantly hungry at all, it's also near impossible to get back to sleep (and WBTB attempts haven't always ended up being at ideal hours for a snack).

A: Do your WBTBs when there is no daylight.

B: eat before you go to bed and drink water so you will wake up before the morning and have to pee. This will make you do a small WBTB at least, and you shouldn't need food.