Thread: Attaining Lucidity without realizing it?

Lucidity sparked by spontaneous dream control eh? Pretty cool - I've never done that before, but I have experienced control in non-lucids a few times. And yes, when you become lucid you should always RC to confirm that you're really dreaming. That in itself will greatly strengthen the lucidity, and then you should stabilize. Normally when I become lucid it's not because of an RC, but then I'll do one just to make sure.

Sometimes I just am lucid. I do not know when it started or how I got lucid. I am not sure how to explain, but many of my DJ entries start like this, "I was in a lucid dream, when I see,,," or something like that. There is not always a moment when you 'realize' it is a dream. It is just a dream and you know it, but not really because of a sudden event or RC.

"control in non-lucids"

I thought what separated normal dreams from lucid dreams was the control itself? Does clarity play a role in this? If so, all of my dreams are 90% clear vision-wise.

Originally Posted by ArchitectofEden

To start out, I have never had a lucid dream in which I "realized" I was in a dream in order to gain control.

If I have a lucid dream, I have control from the start and after a few seconds of having control, I feel the accompanying "dreamy" state and can confirm that it is in fact a dream.

My question is, is this normal, and secondly, would it help to do a reality check in such a dream?

I don't understand what you mean.
How do you know, that what you talk about is the beginning of a dream, if you don't enter the LD per WILD?
And what do you mean with control? Dream control - things impossible in life?
If you were lucid from the start and with control - why then the delay to confirm it?
It sounds like a normal dream with unusual control, and then you become lucid from that - but that contradicts your last post:

Originally Posted by ArchitectofEden

I thought what separated normal dreams from lucid dreams was the control itself?
Does clarity play a role in this? If so, all of my dreams are 90% clear vision-wise.

Or are you asking, if it is possible to have dream control in non-lucids? If it's "normal"?
It is in my experience, but very rare, and usually coming with some rationalisation behind it other than dreaming.
Like believing to be an actor on a movie set with special effects, and that's why this and that works - happened to me - without getting lucid unfortunately. But it might then lead to lucidity - I had that at least twice from flying/floating non-lucidly.

What separates LDs from non-LDs is not control, neither clarity, but insight in the fact, that you are dreaming - you can be lucid without control and with bad optical quality as well - even blindness. And there are some incredibly vivid non-lucids to be had, too!
By the way - which dreams do you mean with being 90% visually clear - all dreams, or your LDs specifically?

And - no need for advice - just try it out to RC next time! Experiment - don't be shy!
Might bring you nothing, if you know it clear as daylight anyway - but it could also stabilize your conviction and lucidity, if wavering.

Hach - you confuse me a bit - sorry - I hope, I don't confuse you back with my ramblings ...

Ok, now I see what you were getting at with the first post. No, control is not lucidity. Lucidity just means you know you're dreaming while you're dreaming. Unless it's a WILD it begins with a moment of excitement and that rush of feeling when you think "Holy crap!! This is a dream!" Dream control is a totally different matter. Though when you're lucid you can control your own actions and choices - which way to go, how to react to other characters etc. But when people talk about dream control they mean the ability to take control over the dream itself - to change the surroundings at will, to make things or people appear or disappear, stuff like that.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Ok, now I see what you were getting at with the first post. No, control is not lucidity. Lucidity just means you know you're dreaming while you're dreaming. Unless it's a WILD it begins with a moment of excitement and that rush of feeling when you think "Holy crap!! This is a dream!" Dream control is a totally different matter. Though when you're lucid you can control your own actions and choices - which way to go, how to react to other characters etc. But when people talk about dream control they mean the ability to take control over the dream itself - to change the surroundings at will, to make things or people appear or disappear, stuff like that.

Ah! Great. I never knew that definition, thank you very much.

And Steph, the 90% clarity is for all dreams with no exceptions that I can remember.

By delay I meant, when the dream begins, I first find myself in control, and seconds later it comes to me that I am actually in a dream. I always thought it was supposed to be the other way around.