Thread: im a none believer

Well its been scientifically proven, so you can't really get more veritable than that. But why don't you just try it yourself? Your post comes across as stupid and willingly ignorant, so I don't really care to "prove" anything to you.

Originally Posted by Jabre

Well its been scientifically proven, so you can't really get more veritable than that. But why don't you just try it yourself? Your post comes across as stupid and willingly ignorant, so I don't really care to "prove" anything to you.

100+. Ld over 20 years and i still.cant prove it,,

So you've had 100+ LDs but don't believe in LDs? I'm not sure I understand.

do you believe in god?

Originally Posted by abcde

Iv made my mind up and don't believe in ld, until someone can prove it to me without the technical stuff, and none of this ( well you gotta have faith, and just believe) rubbish,,,,, ****COME ON DONT BE AFRAID, THERE ONLY DREAMS****ABCDE

You know what, actually, I'll humor you. Lucid dreaming was discovered by Tibetan monks and was scientifically studied by a man named Stephen LaBerge who confirmed lucid dreaming by having subjects move their eyes a certain way in the dream (eyes aren't effected by sleep paralysis) upon entrance so that the scientists saw their eyeballs move in real life and could objectively see that the subject had entered the dream and was aware of the dream i.e. lucidity.

Do you believe there are craters on the moon? That there exist other planets outside of this one? Some things, though you have never experienced or seen them in person, you have to take on faith. Yes, there is a summit on that mountain, even though you never hiked up there. Yes, there are native peoples living deep in the Amazonian forests.

Belief has nothing to do with it, and I would hesitate to wear the badge of believer or non-believer for anything. In my own personal experience I have come to understand that beliefs are nothing more than a prison. They are chains you wrap around yourself and lock tight. True freedom is found in freedom from all beliefs, without exception.

I and others here can only share our personal experiences. I was a Christian when I found the book, "Lucid Dreaming for Beginners" by Mark McEllroy. I had all the baggage most Christians do about anything outside what is considered ordinary, although whoever drew that line should be drug out in the street and shot. I read the book, I started recording my dreams again (I always had vivid dreams, and some terrifying experiences when I was a child.) Then all of a sudden I recognized where I was, that I was where I used to live, a place I come back to in my dreams over and over again. I realized I was dreaming, I "woke up" or "became conscious" in my dream, and I just ran. My dream became even more vivid, even more realistic. You can imagine the impact on someone who already has very detailed and vivid dreams. It was the difference between seeing the waking world, and seeing the waking world the next day after having shrooms the night before, only even more strongly. So many colors, so much light, so very hard to describe.

It is not a matter of belief for me. I chose to be open enough to pick up this book, receptive enough to read it, and courageous enough to jump off the virtual cliff into the unknown and try what it suggested. And the payoff was first-hand experience that yes, you can take control of the focus of your dreams. You do hear people calling it taking control of your dreams. But I have been reading Robert Waggoner's book, and he makes a good point that the sailor doesn't control the sea. You don't design every detail of your dream environment, although you probably could if you wanted to. Typically you are cast in a scene, and you can choose another one, and control your own actions, and to some extent control the actions of others. You are the director on a stage, but you didn't build the stage. Something like that. But if it makes you feel empowered to say you control your dreams, who am I to say that is wrong?

Nobody can force you to believe or disbelieve anything. Nobody can force you to change your mind. You are completely responsible for what you believe, what you think, and the resulting actions you take. We are not going to try to force you to believe that lucid dreaming is real. We can't anyway. The skeptic who refuses to believe in ghosts wouldn't see one if it were standing there, next to him or her, fully manifested, screaming in the person's face. The only one who can convince you is you.

Pick up one of the two books I mentioned, or anything by Stephen LaBerge (who has scientifically proven the reality of various dreaming states), and read. Just read with as open and receptive mind as you will allow. Do the exercises that appeal to you. See what happens. Then come back here and tell us about your experiences.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

do you believe in god?

Of coarse none,,,,,s believe i n goud

Blah blah blah humour me as much as u like, id rather believe homer Simpson than Steven laburger

Okay, you're mentally challenged. Bye.

Originally Posted by abcde

Blah blah blah humour me as much as u like, id rather believe homer Simpson than Steven laburger

As I said in the other thread, they have forums about religion and other fancy things where you can go to debate.

The only remaining question - is it a recurring troll or a new one?

Yeah it's a possibility that it was realdealmagic.

Hope not. Rather it just be a random bored troll, ya know?

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

Yeah it's a possibility that it was realdealmagic.

Hope not. Rather it just be a random bored troll, ya know?

You can easily find out. Go to admin tools, do a nick search and grab the IP. Then do an IP search and all the clones will come up.

Still remember for when I was an admin

Other option is, since I am back for good, you can make me Admin again (so I can help you guys) and I can do this myself

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Of coarse none,,,,,s believe i n goud

I do! (Just in case you needed an exception.) Or was that supposed to a troll on the way he types? Lol just realized he was banned soooo....

I was wondering if this guy was for real. Look at his or her post count.70 posts. By the way they were writing. I find that hard to believe. I could do a search to see what all they posted, but I am too lazy, and it says this individual is banned now anyhow.

I am saddened though to see this sort of thing. Like those of us who are interested in dreams are in some sort of exclusive club or something. Or they're trying so hard to be lucid they block themselves, get frustrated, and go on the attack.

I guess it's immaturity. I recognize that. I "grew up" online too. Got myself banned too from a number of forums. I never started out as much of a troll though. Just too controversial, too outspoken, too rough I guess.

Well good luck to this individual on their journey! I hope they figure out the only thing you get by driving people or offending them is a whole lot of alone, and not much else.

I hesitate to call it a belief, but I think there is a sort of energy that gives us all life and which we can return to when our time is up in the physical sense. I call this energy Source. I used to believe in the Christian idea of God. But I have come to understand that God can't be God if He has an ego and a gender. It makes more sense to me now that God, or the Source as I refer to it, is sort of ego-less sentient energy. But that idea may not appeal to everyone. At this point in my spiritual growth and understanding it works for me.

Later ya'll!

There's a lot more to finding alts on DV these days than just by clicking buttons in the CP, unfortunately. The current staff does a great job at nailing them though, so I can't complain!