Need help classifying a LD as a DILD or DEILD

**LDleader** · 10-23-2014 10:48 AM

So last night I tried a ssild that was unsucessfull. Anyways later in the night I woke up without moving or opening my eyes. Within in seconds, SP kicked in and a loud footstomp and door swing noise started. Then I was in a dream completly lucid. The only doubt I have about this is that I have no recollection of waking up for deild, and I never have had sucessful deild. This brings me to conclusion that I had a dream with a deild in it and then became lucid. Or I just did a sucessful deild.

Any comments or opinions would be helpful.

**FryingMan** · 10-23-2014 04:29 PM

After experiencing a number of "fully awake feeling" FAs, I personally suspect that a lot of DEILDs are actually FAs where you return to lucidity via expected sensations like WILD "noise". But in the end, it doesn't really matter -- just keep practicing the quiet mindset, lightly pondering the dream, with the expectation of re-entering the dream lucidly.

**fogelbise** · 10-23-2014 07:34 PM

So true FryingMan! Similarly, I recently read in Paul Tholey's techniques paper a section in which he explained the same experience that I have found...something he called a "false remaining-awake" in which he described as:

For example, the subject feels that he cannot go to sleep and then for some reason gets up out of bed. Later (after awakening) he discovers that he was already dreaming.

By the way, LDleader, why do you say the SSILD was unsuccessful? It isn't just for going directly into a dream aware (WILD) but one of the main uses as outlined in the instructions is to do the cycles and go to sleep for a DILD, which this may have been. Additionally, almost all of my DEILD successes have been after doing SSILD earlier in the night, which is one of the ways the author suggested using it.

**LDleader** · 10-23-2014 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by fogelbise

By the way, LDleader, why do you say the SSILD was unsuccessful? It isn't just for going directly into a dream aware (WILD) but one of the main uses as outlined in the instructions is to do the cycles and go to sleep for a DILD, which this may have been. Additionally, almost all of my DEILD successes have been after doing SSILD earlier in the night, which is one of the ways the author suggested using it.

So ssild helps withe deild? I didn't know that. I'm interested in deild so can you tell me your method on how to wake up completly still for deild. Also I said that ssild wasn't sucessfull because I didn't think my deild happened in result of it.