knowing you are going to LD

**Rothgar** · 10-04-2014 05:03 PM

I really want to increase my LDS as I am stuck at about 1 every week. I work full time and have a busy life so I can't I Invest a lot of time, and my wife isn't very supportive so I keep it on the QT (black ops I like to think of it...get it?). Anyway I have noticed a very weird phenomenon. After two weeks or less, I will take my nightly bathroom break at 4 or 5 am as always, but that night i just know I will have an LD, and I do. So I am wondering if somehow I a subconsciously recognizing the right mental conditions, or I am setting the right expectation. If it is the former, I can't do much with it other than just knowing it. But if it is the latter maybe I can learn to set the expectation. Not sure if anyone has seen this, but interested in your opinions.

**Sensei** · 10-04-2014 07:00 PM

Yes, is it knowing that you are going to LD that gets you lucid, or is it the fact that you are going to get lucid that gives you the idea. I often wonder about this with a lot of things, like some days I just love all the work to LD and am having a great time with it, and I generally LD. However the opposite happens as well. This is not 100%, sometimes I just get lucid with no expectations, and sometimes I know that I will get lucid and no lucid dreams come.

**PercyLucid** · 10-04-2014 07:22 PM

Just having the idea and setting the intent will indeed get you there.

Try to focus as much as you can through the day and it will bring more lucids to you. Best luck!

Why isn't your wife supportive?

**Sensei** · 10-04-2014 07:29 PM

Percy, most of our wives are not supportive. My wife thinks that it is ok, but kind of a waste of time.

**Sageous** · 10-04-2014 08:13 PM

^^ It is nice when spouses make an effort, though, even when they don't understand or agree with what you're doing.

Rothgar: It seems that you've tapped your prospective mempry, which I suppose is the result of expectation and "subconsciously recognizing the right mental conditions." So by any measure you are responding quite well to your circumstances; very cool!

So I guess the black ops are working...

**OneUp** · 10-04-2014 08:23 PM

Bro I have always been very sure that this is how you get most LD's. Of course, just knowing won't get you Lucid Dreams 100% of the time as Sensei said, but it really can help out ALOT- especially if you are putting in the work for it as well.

Not too long ago, before school started up again for me, I would have 1-3 lucids every night, and every night I had the same mindset- "Can't wait to get lucid tonight, finally gonna try [something fun] out."

Everytime I recognized my ability to do that, it would work. Since school is back I've found myself so much more busier than normal. Now I often only get 5-6 hours of sleep every night because of it. I have so much work than I often just crash in bed. However, now I've realized that I'm not going to let school take away my sleep. So whatever work I don't get done before 9:30 p.m. that work isn't going to get done.

I love my sleep and useless homework will not take away from that I've decided. I'm really glad that I came across your article, it has reminded me of the potential within ourselves.

By the way Rothgar, I made a thread specifically on the idea of "Knowing your going to LD". The thread is called "SilverBullet's key to Lucid Dreaming Revised", you should check it out man, it goes more into detail about what you are talking about. Thanks for making this thread dude, really has rekindled the fire that I once had.

**Rothgar** · 10-05-2014 12:44 AM

Thanks guys. This encourages me to work on the expectation angle some more....

**DoubleHelix** · 10-05-2014 01:51 AM

Stuck at 1 a week??? I'd KILL for 1 LD per week!! I've chalked up 1 exceedingly brief, and one ~10 minute LD since March.

I'd consider myself lucky indeed if I could bat .142 (1/7).

DH

**SinisterDezz** · 10-05-2014 07:35 AM

Hmm, subconsciously recognizing the mental conditions is an interesting theory.

But, as Henry Ford (?) once said, "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."

I don't know. Food for thought.

**OneUp** · 10-15-2014 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

Hmm, subconsciously recognizing the mental conditions is an interesting theory.

But, as Henry Ford (?) once said, "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."

I don't know. Food for thought.

Yea I strongly agree with Henry Ford, and oh look that exact quote in different wording is in my signature lol

**Rothgar** · 10-29-2014 06:50 PM

Ah ha! Well, I am pretty confident now that one MAIN pillar of lucid dreaming is "intent". Thinking about it, LaBerge noted that he began to worry that maybe he couldn't stop having lucid dreams. But when he "intended" not to, they stopped. So the flip side is, "if you intend properly, you will LD. Working on just "intent" I went from about one a week or so, to 5 out of the last 6 nights. The trick was working on "intent.

That is not to say it is easy, because "will" and "intent" are two very different things. "Will" is conscious and in the present. "Intent" is more subconscious and in the furure, similar to mnemonic induction. If you "Will" too much you sleep restless with poor dreams. If you don't set you "intent" properly you just have regular dreams. This is what I fiddled with, until finding an approach that worked for me. So, now I realize I didn't "know" I was going to LD as my prior post indicated....rather I had the right kind of "intent" that night. Heck, I didn't even have to do reality checks during the day. You could call it IILD, But really it is a form of MILD but without any mnemonic triggers required.