Thread: Two questions from Russian dreamer

Добро пожаловать, Илья!

1. Yes. It takes a lot of time and effort -- a lifetime perhaps. The practice of sleep yoga is about maintaining awareness through all phases of sleep. It s discussed in the excellent book "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep", google will find a PDF for you.

2. You probably mean "waking life," since dreams are "real" . Absolutely! Sageous in fact started a thread "Memory: the forgotten fundamental" where this is discussed at length. The key emphasis is not on recalling details of waking memory, but rather acknowledging that your current dream state is a mental fantasy taking place entirely in your mind, and that your physical body is asleep in bed. This helps to bring full awareness to your mind in the dream, to establish the highest levels of lucidity that you can. I have done this in several lucid dreams, and it always produces very high levels of mental clarity and enhances the dreaming experience by a lot.

3. (referring again to writings by Sageous )

Access to memory is impaired in dreams. In some sense, it is as if the universe just began at the start of every dream. Not entirely, as the dreamer still usually has the sense of self (maybe a weak one). This is why we typically do not recognize dream situations as being strange, since we do not *remember* that they are not possible in the waking state.

Out of curiosity, what are the main Russian lucid dreaming sites/forums?

Two largest:

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1. Any threads here? Just dunno what to look for at Search.

2. Thks

3. as if the universe just began at the start of every dream It's great to see someone's thoughts repeating yours word by word )
And of course you thought the same about your waking life: as if the universe just began at the morning. With all your memories. Youniverse )
Have you had a memory of a reality of a particular dream when you are dreaming it. Like you've been there before. But when you're awake you know that it was the first time you saw that reality. I barely understood what i said

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1. search for "nrem dreams" or "nrem lucidity"

3. Absolutely. I have "fake memories" all the time in dreams, especially of places. I've even had the thought in non-lucid dreams that I was in just this place in an earlier dream.

I have had many dreams of returning to my graduate school apartment (the first time I moved away from my home town and lived on my own), and each time I dream it, I say to myself, "*this* time, I'm *really* back here, finally!" and I awake and think "oh, no I wasn't...."

1 Oh that how it's called.

You put "" means you don't think they can be called fake memories precisely? Cause i think they aren't the same. They're kinda true memories for that dream. If we could verificate it experimentally. Or disproof. Can we? I can't figure out.

Originally Posted by Straight

1. Any threads here? Just dunno what to look for at Search.

Just to save you some time (and plug my own threads):

- This is the memory thread that FryingMan was referencing:

Memory, the Forgotten Fundamental


- This is a thread that discusses LD'ing in Delta Sleep, and I think touches on staying conscious all night (and yes, it can be done):

Exploring Delta Sleep

I hope you enjoy them, and welcome to Dream Views!

Originally Posted by Straight

What excites me most of all about dreams is the fact that when you are dreaming (not LD) you don't feel strange about what's going on, you don't see any uncommon even if that dream is crazy - as you remembered when you awaken. When you "there" you are a part of that world. Like you have always lived there. And still "that you" is actually you.

Are there any explanations of this phenomena? Well I think this is a good question.

I had always thought regular dreams in which we do crazy stuff we would never ever do in waking life, are the dreams we experience with the highest awareness. What I mean is, you can be so aware you're dreaming that only thing you care about is the experience and you don't need to stop and say "oh this is a dream!" because you already know that and it all happened so naturally.

And the fake memories... I get these every single night. And especially of places, just like FryingMan has said. Do we know why brain acts this way?

I perhaps overuse quotes ("") rhetorically, it's a bad writing habit. Usually I mean "sort of" or "a little bit" when I use quotes. The memories are fake in the sense that they are not waking memories, but they certainly feel real in the dream.

Thanks, Sageous for the links to the threads.

And one more.
Does anyone know, if blind-born people have LD?
As far as I know they don't have REM.

Blind-born people do have REM and dreams, there just isn't anything visual in them. Blind-born people can become lucid in their dreams as well because sight isn't required to become lucid in a dream.

They probably say born blind don't have REM sleep because they think rapid eye movements are caused by visual shifts when dreaming. Even if that was the reason behind rapid eye movement, there are many other things going on in REM period which blind born probably experiences too. Also one more thing, most of the intense dreaming occur in REM but recent research have shown we can dream in any sleep stage, you can read about the experiments on the net. (just noticed we can't post links till we are 3 days old in dv)

That's pretty awsome. OK then. Going further. How about (deaf+blind)born ones?

Deaf+blind-born people do have REM and dreams, there just isn't any visuals or sounds in them. Deaf+blind-born people can become lucid in their dreams as well because sight and sound isn't required to become lucid in a dream.

How do we know they can?

Everybody dreams and all a lucid dream requires is awareness of the dream and recalled memory of what a dream is during the dream. For example, a deaf-blind person might dream of reading braille during the during the dream, realize something is off, and come to the conclusion they're dreaming.

Theory is good, but without experiment it's nothing. I couldn't find any examples of that. Can you?

Do you know any deaf-blind people or are you just asking questions for questions sake? Go ask one for yourself if they dream.

All humans sleep (even though some sleep very very little)
All sleep has dreams of some form
If you can have a dream, you can have a lucid dream.

And still, it's a theory. Practice is the criterion of truth. I don't know any blind or deaf people otherwise i'd ask. Google doesn't help either.
I'm asking cause I'm curious. Everything is connected and this is a part of everything. I'm searching answers on questions that arise from my intuition. That's my way.

Couldn't find a research on deaf blind dreaming habits...yet. But I can answer this with what arises from my intuition. Deaf blind collect information with 3 senses: smelling, tasting and touching. Just like blind people dreaming with sounds and other senses, deaf blind people could be dreaming with those three senses and I feel anybody who has a memory can dream, and anybody who dreams can become lucid. A little example on how this could happen: Born deaf blind is dreaming. He takes a deep breath and he "feels" his lungs filling with "liquid", he suddenly realizes this can't be real and he is in his bed. Just a fancy version of the braille dream. Only a theory. I'll dig internet now. If they have done no research on this, it is such a shame.

Originally Posted by Straight

2. Did anyone try to remember his real life during LD? How it affected on LD?

Hello, Ilya.
answering on this question - yes.

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