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      Question Recurring DC who claims to be God

      So, I have had 3 dreams so far of a recurring DC who claims to be "God in disguise" and and was wondering if anyone has had an experience similar to this. I'll just explain a bit about the dreams.

      Dream 1: So in the first dream when I met this guy, I was just getting into Lucid Dreaming. So I see this DC walking along the road at night and I decide to go and talk to him. I'm still a bit unsure of my lucidity, so I ask "hey, is this real?" but he just keeps walking and ignores me. I press him, saying, "because you know this is a dream, right? No response. So I think for a moment, and say: "are you an offshoot of my consciousness or do you possess a separate consciousness of your own?" and he turns around, gives me this massive, almost sharklike grin, and goes, "Oh, now there's a clever question". I wake up and stay freaked out for the rest of the day, thinking, "my own brain is trolling me!".

      Dream 2: About a month or so later I have a "sequel" dream, the same DC is there, and I think, "Oh, it's you." He walks up, gestures at himself, and says, "this is a disguise. I'm actually God." We're in a place that's part white void and part coffee shop, so I point my hand at the table and say, "shall we talk?" We then have the best discussion of my life, talking philosophy and about the nature of reality. I remember being surprised and thinking, "my contributions to the discussion are just as good as God's are!" and also thinking, "this stuff is amazing. I have to write it down when I wake up and not be like those people who learn something amazing in a dream then forget". I also remember the DC smirking at me from behind his coffee in an "I-know-something-you-don't" kind of way. Ofc, as soon I wake up I can't remember the conversation. I mentally nickname this DC "The Trickster". A while later I gave up practising LD and didn't have lucids for months.

      Dream 3: Happened 2 days ago. I'd been trying to get back into LD, had had a bit of success but not much. Then my friend called up and we had a big philosophical discussion about if God was real or not and NDEs and stuff. I thought, "I bet I'll dream about the Trickster tonight". I had vivid dreams then in one I was just instantly lucid and called out for the Trickster. He appears, grins and waves at me, comes over and I take his hand. We were walking along and talking and I asked "So are you gonna teach me stuff?", thinking maybe he's my dream guide. He seems offended and goes "no" I get a mental impression that's like "that's not my job/not what I'm here for". I'm upset and suddenly see myself from his perspective, and think how young I look.I get frustrated and ask "who ARE you?" and he just goes, "I already told you", referring to the dream where he claimed to be God. We're by the sea and suddenly a wave comes and swallows me up. I think, "Oh no, now I'll end up in a different dream", but I end up right back next to the Trickster. He asks "are you okay? I was concerned about you". I ask if he was offended and he says "a bit". I plead with him for advice since I'm worried about some stuff in my life and he kind of relents a bit, but after I tell him my worries, says, "you don't need be scared of that" in a dismissive way. I think, "well of course from YOUR perspective it's not a problem!". We carry on walking and he points out how vivid the scenery is and I am amazed. At one point he says "I'd like to teach you guys how to do this, I've been doing it for ages" I immediately understand "you guys"=humans and "do this=make planets". When I woke up I was surprised at how much less vivid reality seemed compared to the dream.

      Sorry for the uber-long post, but these dreams are really weird and I'd like people's opinion. Is this dude a dream guide? What are people's experiences with recurring DCs and meeting God in dreams? What do I make of this?

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      Whether or not that was really God or a god I think it's an interesting thing. You should talk with it and try to learn from it. I'd love to hear if you have anymore dreams about him.

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      Very interesting dreams. Conversations are the hardest thing to remember for me from lucid dreams for some reason.

      I have had several 'spiritual' type dream characters show up in my lucid dreams, I am a Buddhism and they were mostly Buddhist monks and teachers in my case.

      Once in a non-lucid dream the Virgin Mary took a Polaroid picture of me. I was taken to a tower by several gentlemen in purple robes into a high tower, I was laying down and out of my left field of vision Mary comes floating in, glowing with spinning green emeralds in her eyes, once she is in front of me she pulls out a camera and takes a picture of me, the intensity and quality of the emotional content associated with this dream makes me call it a 'mystical experience', not that I think it really was some metaphysical entity, but at the time it was very impressive. And when I woke up from the dream I felt exuberant, like I saw something really special and important, which it was to me. It is hard to convey these experiences in words, but in the moment their uniqueness, value, and meaning are immediately obvious and self evident.

      “No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one’s existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone.”
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      Grimpanda This dude seems to show up when he wants to, and dreams he's in are more vivid than regular dreams and even regular lucids. That said, I did manage to "call" him in the last one, so who knows? On the aspect of talking to it, hopefully, on the "learning" side- I don't know. He seemed offended when I asked for lessons so I'm wondering if I should really

      Valis thanks for sharing. This dude actually took the appearance not of a religious figure (although ofc he claimed to be that) but similar to a magician-like sci-fi character. It kind of makes sense from a psychological perspective, as I am not a member of an organised religion (and am not really the biggest fan of them in all honesty, although I'm not looking to start arguments about that or anything), but thinking about outer space does make me think about the nature of reality, and the magician thing makes sense due to the whole "trickster" personality, so I guess it makes sense that my subconscious would perceive "God" in that way rather than as a stereotypically religious figure like just seeing Jesus or whatever. Or at least that's my excuse for having an irredeemably nerdy subconsciousness anyway.
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      Over thousands of years the real world has been filled with self-proclaimed prophets and deities. Why should the dream world be any different?
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      Well, it's one thing when other people tell you stories like that. It's a bit of a stranger experience when part of your brain (the thought processes of which you are not aware of) decides the tell it to another part of your brain (the part whose thoughts you are aware of). Especially when you're an agnostic. It just creeps me out a bit, tbh, I'm thinking "why is part of my mind doing this?" "Why is is pretending to be God and talking to my conscious mind in a deliberately annoying way?".

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      Quote Originally Posted by OddFish View Post
      ... I'm thinking "why is part of my mind doing this?" "Why is is pretending to be God and talking to my conscious mind in a deliberately annoying way?".
      Sometimes I think most of our dreams resemble our dreaming minds "talking" to our consciousness (lucid or not) in ways that seem deliberately annoying.

      The stuff of our dreams is assembled in ways that often defy waking-life cohesion, and that can be annoying. Couple that with your lucid expectations and desires "reprogramming" your dream on the fly, and you begin to see your unconscious (dreaming mind) incorporate, often poorly, the things you expect to see and hear. For instance, if you ask a DC a question about being God, your unconscious might not have an answer, so the DC just continues along on its original program. But, as you press -- and expect more -- your dreaming mind responds with a response like "Oh, now there's a clever question," which seems to me an excellent response that both leaves you impressed but requires no complicated or unavailable input that might accompany a better answer (i.e., since you don't really believe in God, your dreaming mind might not be able to tap words or imagery that you would find believable).

      The interesting part is that your expectations got your dreaming mind more in line by dream #2, where, with that "Can we talk?" conversation your dream provided what could well be exactly what you would expect a meeting with God to be like. At the risk of sounding like I'm presenting a Zen koan, I have a thought for you: How do you know you had that conversation at all? After all, everything you understand about that dream is based on your memory of it, and -- thanks to your ever-helpful dreaming mind -- that memory of the quality and subjects of your conversation may be all there ever was; there may never have been a conversation, just a memory of one. Don't you find it odd that the only things you remember is what the conversation was about, and then God's "I-know-something-you-don't" smirk? I also found it interesting that the other thing you remember about your conversation is yourself saying, "my contributions to the discussion are just as good as God's are!" ... that seems like you are throwing yourself a hint that this God you are chatting with is no more than you. I know that's tough tough to swallow, but it seemed worth putting out there.

      Dream #3 seems to follow suit: as you got better at incorporating God into your dreams, your expectations of answers your dreaming mind could not provide (aka, things only God, and not you, would know), it provided a God who was reluctant to answer your questions, to the point of sweeping you clear of Him with an ocean wave (great bit of archetypical symbology there, BTW!); if you weren't lucid, you very likely would have wound up in a different dream. I have a feeling that you will have many dream #3's, should you continue lucidly pursuing your Trickster.

      I really do believe that, should there be an individual God Who fits the descriptors of all our various religions, there would be no doubt, whatsoever, of who He is when He appears in your dream. The presence of God would be so overwhelming or transcendental that you would simple know it is Him... unless of course He didn't want you to -- but then you likely wouldn't get any answers or conversations out of His avatar (why would He bother?).

      All that said: Of course, I could be wrong. There is so much we do not about the potentials of dreams, lucidity, and the true range of our consciousnesses. You very well could have been communicating with someone who is not just a DC, and not part of your own mind at all. Hell, it could even have been God (if so, I hope He doesn't mind that I just used "hell" and "God" in the same sentence!). It might be fun, and possibly truly enlightening, to continue your pursuit of the Trickster, and find out for sure if there is something more to Him. That pursuit might take many years and ultimately not yield the answers you expect, but I would bet it would be worth it!
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      I actually talked about whether or not I really had the conversation in dream #2 with a friend. The only thing that makes me doubt it is that I think I remembered some of the stuff when I woke up, felt it slipping away and it had gone by the time I reached my pen. On the other hand I think that's also likely to be a "fake memory". By "archetypical symbology" do you mean the stories of God wiping people out with floods in various religious texts? In the dream I actually got the impression that I'd done that, or at least contributed to it via a negative mental state.

      With regard to the "clever question" thing, I also got the feeling that the actual answer to the question was something along the lines of "both" and "neither"... which would make sense if I was talking to my own subconsciousness. With regard to the "if God really showed up It'd be a transcendental presence and you'd notice for sure" deal... I don't know. I could see a deity "toning it down" to talk to a person who would otherwise be really freaked out by a full "God-dose" as it were. On that note- if there is a God, I don't think you need to worry about insulting it. An entity which could create this universe would probably not be worried about what a primate from a small planet types on a keyboard too much.

      I think I might try and have more dreams with T-dude in them. He might be just part of my brain, but you're right, it would be interesting. I'm not sure how to go about it though. The first 2 dreams pretty much happened of their own accord, and all were way above my normal lucidity level (which is...not great at all). I have no real idea what caused my lucidity to go up so much, apart from the phone conversation before #3. The other 2 I was just doing my journal and reality checks like normal.

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      Quote Originally Posted by OddFish View Post
      ...By "archetypical symbology" do you mean the stories of God wiping people out with floods in various religious texts? In the dream I actually got the impression that I'd done that, or at least contributed to it via a negative mental state.
      No, I meant that the use of water as a "purge," or cleansing agent, to cleanly sweep you from the current dream plot (and line of questioning), and direct you toward another. Water seems the most perfect choice for that reset to me... and yes, the symbology of the flood is drawn from the same archetype of water as an agent of purge, but I wasn't blaming God for the wave in your case.

      ... An entity which could create this universe would probably not be worried about what a primate from a small planet types on a keyboard too much.
      By that same token, why would an entity which could create this universe find a need to talk to one of us in the first place? Just sayin'...

      I think I might try and have more dreams with T-dude in them. He might be just part of my brain, but you're right, it would be interesting. I'm not sure how to go about it though. The first 2 dreams pretty much happened of their own accord, and all were way above my normal lucidity level (which is...not great at all). I have no real idea what caused my lucidity to go up so much, apart from the phone conversation before #3. The other 2 I was just doing my journal and reality checks like normal.
      Sometimes you just need to keep things like this at the front of your thoughts during the day for them to appear in your dreams; day residue seems to appear nicely in your dreams...maybe you can strike up a conversation about it sometime, just before you plan to do some LD'ing. Also, as I said, this could be a good long-term project; one that you can approach more directly later when your lucid skills improve (and that approach will work much better if you are trying to meet with T-Dude before you fully gain those skills). On the meantime, just be ready for a conversation with T-Dude whenever you go to sleep and, if He turns up, chat away!

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      I had a dream like this before when I was five years old. It was memorable the old man told me that I was "gifted" or something. I didn't exactly believe that I was gifted or anything. I almost ran into the house but, I somehow stayed and listened to him. He was very hypnotic, probably because he was someone who my subconscious made up when I was little. I recall that it happened late at night. However, unlike your dream, It was only one time I saw this DC and everything.
      With any recurring DC, though, if you conversation with the T-Dude whenever you go to sleep, you probably need to be patient with him too.

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      If the subconscious mind can create a highly detailed sensory expanse, one would think it could come up with a reasonably complex philosophic or religious sermon of some sort.
      "Parable.- Those thinkers in whom all stars move in cyclic orbits are not the most profound: whoever looks into himself as into vast space and carries galaxies in himself also knows how irregular all galaxies are; they lead into the chaos and labyrinth of existence."- Friedrich Nietzsche, the gay science, First published in 1882 revised in 1887, translated by Walter Kaufmann [/SIGPIC]

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      By that same token, why would an entity which could create this universe find a need to talk to one of us in the first place? Just sayin'...
      Haha, very true. I still think it would probably be hard to offend a God, though, even if it did care about the actions of humans. I mean, imagine if you made fun of Usain Bolt for being a slow runner. He probably would just think it was funny or ignore you, since he knows he's ridiculously fast. I think a super-powerful entity's reaction to being insulted by a much less-powerful being might be like that. (that theme sort of existed in my dream: I was worried about something, but it was dismissed as unimportant: of course to an eternal being finite events would seem unimportant, but that's not much comfort to the finite being! I think that is yet more indication that this is my subconcious mind at work. Fascinating what the mind can create, though.

      Ibeauty, what do you mean by needing to "be patient" with DCs?

      And with regard to the subconcious creating complex philosophical discourse- that's fine as long as it doesn't try to give me formal logic lessons (I doubt those could be coherent in a dream anyway.)

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      Oddfish: I'm going to give you a piece of advice, and I hope you will not be offended. Dreams...and the characters that inhabit them - they don't exist in objective reality. They're virtual realities - "hallucinations" if you will - complex, detailed creations of your subconscious mind which is isolated from the input of the physical world. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Next time your self-proclaimed deity shows up in your dreams, I suggest you give him "the finger" and see if he laughs. I did that to Buddha once, and he thought it was a RIOT!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by DoubleHelix View Post
      Oddfish: I'm going to give you a piece of advice, and I hope you will not be offended. Dreams...and the characters that inhabit them - they don't exist in objective reality. They're virtual realities - "hallucinations" if you will - complex, detailed creations of your subconscious mind which is isolated from the input of the physical world. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Next time your self-proclaimed deity shows up in your dreams, I suggest you give him "the finger" and see if he laughs. I did that to Buddha once, and he thought it was a RIOT!!!
      Not offended. Why should I be? I am aware, however, that people of a more religious stripe may have different interpretations of what dreams can be. As for myself, I tend to think that my dreams are a creation of my subconscious mind, but it's a fun discussion. I am a little uncomfortable about the idea that my subconsciousness would pretend to be a deity though. But then, this is the same subconsciousness that served up a dream about watching a tennis match on the Starship Enterprise whilst seated next to Richard Dawkins, so I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised.

      That said, you're right. I got more weirded out by my dream than I needed to. Thank you for providing a grounding voice of reason.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DoubleHelix View Post
      Oddfish: I'm going to give you a piece of advice, and I hope you will not be offended. Dreams...and the characters that inhabit them - they don't exist in objective reality. They're virtual realities - "hallucinations" if you will - complex, detailed creations of your subconscious mind which is isolated from the input of the physical world. Nothing more, nothing less.
      I'd argue that they are influenced by the input of the physical world which is why people who are sci-fi fans often dream of sci-fi-like scenarios and characters. He did mention this DC as being "similar to a magician-like sci-fi character". Sometimes a movie or even a TV commercial I watched will influence my dreams days or weeks later.
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      Of course, I could make the argument that dreams are part of objective physical reality due to being a result of electrical activity in the brain, but that would just be pedantic of me.

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      The idea of meeting God is a fascinating one whether you are religious or not, so why wouldn't your subconscious conjure up this image and scenario?
      Of course it says more about you and your subconscious than anything else, but probably the only message is that you have a fertile imagination and probably more interest in the spiritual than you realised perhaps?
      Your playground to explore......

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