Thread: Lucidity on demand

Alij8000! Not seeing is believing? I have to ask, how do we know that you are not just posting this thread because you just simply don't know the difference between a lucid and non-lucid dream? Or at least that's what I feel like is going on here with your posts, somehow. This happens in other dream sites, you know? Where are you getting your information? Please tell us your credible sources because if not, it is really just your opinion and not actual fact. This would be critical to any discussion.

i can't belive im seriously being asked this,but if that actualy happend on other threads,i can tell you my first ever LD experiance,it happend around 3 weeks after i started doing isha kriya meditation,i had an unintended WILD,at first i didn't tell the diffrence i simply tought i had awoken,but in the mirror my face was blurred out,thats when i relized i was dreaming,i got too excited and i woke up and then i did some research and at first i tought it was astral projection but soon after i found it to be lucid dreaming.

@gab
i don't understand why r u being so tight about what to call something in the end if its just a name like you clearly seem to understand,why not give it rest???
is it so goddamn important to write a whole page for?!

@occipitalred
you've made my point for me as to why im not willing to settle for ''halucinations'' or ''simmilar experiances'' and am pushing this hard,in your experiance you said you would get scared of the spiders and what not,you would test them to see if their real or not and so on,
well thats it,thats exactly why,when your halucinating,your not fully concious of whats happening,you've no control over it,its scary it can destroy you and you can't stop it when you want to,what you described are all i'llness and diseases in my opinion,their not what i seek.

you described your experiances,now if you could work with me here for a second,imagine that i managed to find what im looking for,got what i wanted from this thread,assume,and this would be hypotheicaly my experiance :

''im in my house,i just woke up,its 10 o'c in the morning,its sunday i've no school or work for today,snow has run down heavy last night and all the roads are blocked,the door to the house is stuck the snow is blocking it from the outside,my family is on a trip im entirely alone,power is out,there is nothing to do,but it doesn't matter,i've got my brain with me,i sit on the coach,i get relaxed so as to not put any physical strain on my body,i close my eyes,everything is black,i see nothing,i decide to dream,i know im not asleep,but it doesn't matter,thats not a barrier for me anymore,the world forms around me,from the blackness itself,i see everything,im on top of a mountain,its run down by heavy thick snow,i've got a bunch of friends here,their all my DC's,got my spirit guide here too,hes making us some coffee,we sit near the campfire that i just started with a little bit of magic heat waves from my hands xD,and we just chill for a few hours,
i roughly know its been 3 hours since i closed my eyes first,im still chilling with my spirit guide drinkin some coffee,oh god that coffee was even better than real coffee,wish we had those in real life lol,as our coffee finishes i shake his warm hand pat him on the shoulder and bid him farewell,i close my eyes and i open them,im back on my chair,i've had a phenomenal experiance,even tough i had just woken up and couldn't have possibly had fallen asleep and had a WILD or a DILD.ofcourse it wouldn't have lasted this long if i coudn't have had a one any time i wanted since it took me a couple of hundred times finding out how exactly to stablize myself in the dream,and i did all that on the same day i found out how to have LD's on demand without having to sleep first ,that sure limited my attempts to shit,indeed those two years i spent on that fourm tryin to make this happen were worth it,i wish i had made that thread sooner,to think someone actualy managed it!
shame i spent all that money on those video games and movies tough,their all useless junk now,bilions of dollar went into making those,i could just make one any time i wanted,wouldn't even have to be asleep to do it,POV real life style too!,wonder what'll happen to all those video game and movie companies tough,i mean once this shit hits the fan,people are gonna be out of jobs for sure...''

and thats just hypothetical,truth is we don't even know what else you can do with your LD's given you'd have acess to them at all times!
,now the question is my friend,can you share my vision?

Yes, alij8000, that's what I imagined you were trying to get at. And it would be quite an ideal skill. If you ever find out how, I want to know too. But in the case you described, you were indeed sleeping and you could have a similar experience if you had tried to WILD (except shorter I imagine)

You know, I have had many DILDs, but I don't think I have ever WILDed. It's hard for me. I find it hard to consciously fall asleep and into the REM phase. Hopefully one day, I will get there. I suggest you start there too. Because there's no way that thing you're trying to do is easier than WILDing. And if it's possible, I imagine it is easier for someone who has mastered WILDing. In fact, I think both are the same, just you are describing it as if it were super easy and conjurable at any moment and that sleep did not consist of cycles but rather was exclusively a REM phase.

This is what you want (so that everyone else understands):
1) To fall asleep at will.
2) Sleep is only REM phase

Those two goals are impossible to attain 100%. But perhaps you can improve both.
If you want 1), I suggest again that you look up ways to fall asleep faster.
If you want 2), just ask around, I actually don't know. But some people in this thread have experience with playing with their sleep cycles. Sageous for examples practices different types of sleep, like polyphasic sleep I think it's called. He can point to you to places where he talks about his experience. From what I understand, it's a process that takes a lot of time to get used to. That's the thing alij8000. Some people here have so much experience with sleep, that they can't see your goal being realistic because they have a profound understanding of how dreaming works. It takes some open mindedness to practice polyphasic sleep and some determination. People here are crossing the boundaries of what is normal.

What you describing however is just a great idealistic fantasy. I understand it. Because I think that would be awesome and make life so much easier.