Thread: A self called natural lucid dreamer on ADA

Well, I think there's nothing left to add to this discussion, and what I'm about to write isn't related to the overall point of this thread or what has been discussed in it, but I just wanted to chime in and say the following:

By the definitions you've all given, don't you feel it could come out as if natural lucid dreamers are all just a bunch of lucky individuals? Do they just happen to be in the right moment at the right time to acquire such lucid proficiency? I have a hard time agreeing with this because I believe natural lucid dreamers do learn to lucid dream just as much as everyone else does, the only difference is (and a big difference by the way) they understand the whole thing better than the rest of us. So, maybe they just "get it" faster, easier, which is why they might come off as if bestowed with a wonderful gift.

You can look at different professions around the globe, and I am sure all of the naturally talented people did something. They worked enough to get to where they are now, wherever that may be, and whether they're aware of it or not. I can see it in sports when people interview the top players, the ones who play at the highest level. Many times I hear the interviewee and the rest of the world praising them as people with god giving talents. What they do may make it seem as if it is that way, yet you listen to their stories and find out they're people who started out as you and me, and did something to become the men and women they are now. If you pay attention to them when they speak, for a little bit you get inside their minds and get a glimpse of how it all works out in there. They show how to pass the ball, how to shoot the ball, how to kick it, whatever. They show it to you, they explain it to you, and you can see how it's all different to what you had imagined it would be. They might grip the ball this way, they might throw it some other way, they might ease you in on what's going on in the play and it appears as if they're doing magic, but there's some truth and logic behind all of it. And we're talking about the individuals that are the best at what they do, whether naturally talented or not.

Personally, I can see it every day when I look at my younger brother. I see how easily and effortlessly he understands what he's studying, how easy it is for him to apply it, and how difficult it looks from my end. Sometimes I turn to him for advice and it amazes me the explanations he gives, using analogies and reasoning I hadn't thought about before. I agree though, that many naturally talented people often have trouble explaining the "hows" and "whys" in terms many of us can understand, but even when they don't, I can see there's something going on inside their heads, something that just makes it all click and helps them understand. We just have a lot more trouble finding the ways that make it click inside our own.

What I'm getting at with this is that, maybe, just maybe, "naturals" have devised their own personal methods (aware or unaware of this) to crack the puzzle that is the lucid dreaming enigma, just like everyone else here. I just don't buy the idea of them doing absolutely nothing at all to reach the state in which they're at. To me, it would be tagging it all to pure luck, like they didn't work hard enough like the rest. Even if they may believe so, to me they are just as unaware as many others. And I can see how that may be. In our difficulty to understand the world of lucid dreaming, as "unnaturals," we think about and devise all these interesting theories to interpret what it is we're doing so as to recognize if we're making any progress. With what I've seen, I believe some naturals also know what they're doing, and for the rest that don't, that doesn't mean they don't fall in with what has been proposed as the way(s) to achieve lucidity. Naturals could have as well developed (consciously or not) a "lucid mindset" that allows them to be more self-aware in their dreams. The same could apply when speaking about memory and its link to lucidity. They might have reached the same conclusions we did throughout all these years, though in a shorter amount of time. And I find that truly fascinating.

So, yeah, this may be totally unrelated with the rest of posts up there hahah, but I have wanted to say this whenever naturals are brought up for discussion. I can't be the only one who sees it that way, but, anyway... feel free to ignore all of this if you want.