Do dream charecters think?

[pdiddles03]

"I think therefore I am." - Rene Descartes Your mind usually gives dream characters their own personalities and reactions. But do they really think? Does your mind allow them to think out their actions? If yes, tell me why. If no, give me reasons supporting your answer. Not speculations. Because if they do think, according to Descartes, they do exist.

[Philosopher8659]

Are you serious? If you are, I could set you up an interview with Felix the Cat.

[pdiddles03]

Are you serious? If you are, I could set you up an interview with Felix the Cat. don't mock, that doesn't prove anything.

[Philosopher8659]

It doesnt? You asked if a thought has a thought, i.e. first principle, is relation to self-valid. Exactly what did you learn in school?

[catzisconfus]

you are the dream characters they are not real entities, just some imaginary objects, they could as well be a stone with a mouth that can talk, you make it up

[pdiddles03]

forget it, if you guys can't be decent. I hope the admin deletes this thread.

[Philosopher8659]

Some people are never happy. Humor them with bull-shit they whine, tell them the truth they whine. Anybody got some pamprin?

[pdiddles03]

No, not whining. just Not up for the bull of some people. I'm sorry it was a legit question. I'm sure you don't like being mocked either

[catzisconfus]

i just answered your question, it's not my fault that you don't like my answer.

[pdiddles03]

goodbye dreamviews hello ld4all

[Philosopher8659]

It is okay if you take your dolls and go away. I tried playing with them for 1 week when I was little, and the damn things never could hold a decent conversation. So, I gave them up.

[catzisconfus]

goodbye dreamviews hello ld4all i'm just going to stop replying, leave if you want but this discussion is pointless.

[Desertfox92]

goodbye dreamviews hello ld4all Honestly you leave just because 2 people give you an answer that you do not like?

[Conkt]

Dream characters cannot think, in that they are not themselves entities. A dream character is not a humanoid dream creature, it is a 2 dimensional moving image with the illusion of depth created by your memories. They are not talking, their mouths are moving while you hallucinate audio accompaniment. In short, DCs don't exist, and can be reasonably compared to, say, characters in a flash video. A very detailed flash video.

[kookyinc]

Honestly you leave just because 2 people give you an answer that you do not like? Well said. Anyway, I think that it is your mind which is doing the thinking for the dream characters, so thus, they so not think or really exist.

[JamesLD]

ld4all is so gay hahahaha just checked it out. its just a weak ass version of dreamviews. dreamviews is superior. all hail dreamviews!

[Newmoon]

Hello pdiddles03, currently it is impossible to determine whether or not dream characters are in fact conscious. To my knowledge, Science has yet to determine exactly what consciousness is or how to properly test for it. There are many theories and some tests do exist, however, there effectiveness is debatable. Lately I have been toying with the idea myself of creating my own personal internal study with some of the exiting techniques. However, I have been unable to think of any effective way of even proving it to myself. You see, as hard as it is currently to prove consciousness within other species, I find it ten times harder trying to prove it within a world where a stray thought of whether or not they can think independently could alter the results to such an extent that they could appear to be conscious. Personally, I do believe that some dream characters are conscious to various extents. If you spend some time reading about others dreams you will find that many experience dream characters that appear to be more knowledgeable and more aware then the dreamer them self. Some people even have what they call dream guides and these at times can take on characteristics of consciousness. As a result of my beliefs I tend to treat dream characters with the same respect that I would give to anyone else. I find that one of the most interesting things about all of this is just thinking about what it means if they do poses consciousness. Would killing them constitute murder? How about the situations littering DreamViews involving rape? I am sure that in our waking life's we are not all going around doing such things to each other so what does this say about who we truly are? As a dreamer with control I find it interesting that my very presence within the dream could mean the oppression of the entire world. So how much responsibility do we accept for all of our control? To me the possibility of the human brain being able to simulating consciousness within dream characters just cant be ruled out.

[kenietz]

Hi people, in fact that was troubling and my brains Newmoon has some point. For example i have met such a being that was more than anything ive ever met in my life and in my dreams. It changed me twice and then in my dream I was able to create other beings with their own conscience. i even made couple of them but then stopped. was too big responsibility. anyway though, for the moment theres no proof for anything. Furthermore, science can prove whatever. As they said somewhere the result of the experiment depends on the experimenter's will and desire to find something. So then is the result real or no. And it all starts again. So i prefer not to think anymore about such things. I just go somewhere and have fun if i can or take the lesson which is prepared for me there. In the morning i spend some time to remember what i saw and felt there and to reflect on it. Then 'real' life starts again

[Philosopher8659]

To my knowledge, Science has yet to determine exactly what consciousness is or how to properly test for it. It can be tested easily for function just like any other environmental acquisition system of a living organism.

[Halfbaker]

Well, maybe he meant to ask if each dream character has it's own mini-brain simulated somewhere in your unconscious mind. The answer to that would be "unlikely".

[Baron Samedi]

"I think therefore I am." - Rene Descartes Your mind usually gives dream characters their own personalities and reactions. But do they really think? Does your mind allow them to think out their actions? If yes, tell me why. If no, give me reasons supporting your answer. Not speculations. Because if they do think, according to Descartes, they do exist. Firstly, it's all speculations. Here's what I speculate: Dream characters do think, just a little bit. Just as electronic AI thinks, DC's have a rudimentary way of thinking. Are you serious? If you are, I could set you up an interview with Felix the Cat. Weird way to be sarcastic. Of course one can have an interview with Felix the Cat.

[Philosopher8659]

Yes, to a dysfunctional mind, identity is weird, because it is incapable of it. Identity = truth. This is also why metaphor is beyond the ability of most.

[Philosopher8659]

"I think therefore I am." - Rene Descartes . Descartes was too stupid to see that the statement violates the first principle of logic---1) it is self-referential. 2) And it also makes an assumption. 3) One cannot predicate existence. What Plato taught, and what you learned in school--a definition, and only a definition, determines class membership---a fact beyond Descartes.

[bewareofit1505]

"I think therefore I am." - Rene Descartes my stepdad gave me a huge explanation from a book that disproved this quote. It was really really interesting but i can't remember it.

[Philosopher8659]

It does not take a huge explanation, one simply has to know the foundation of logic/grammar. Plato tried to get the reader to abstract the principles. Ultimately, since one can construct a set either by enumeration or definition, and only definition determines class membership, Plato tried to get the reader to understand this. It is the same for all crafts, a thing is, simply because it is a certain material in a certain form. Or again, members that reside in a class, etc. etc. Your books tell you that Set Threory is a recent development, but Plato was demonstrating class mechanics long ago, and better than anyone today--because it is based simply on the definition of a thing, and upon the only two elements abstractable from a thing--form and material difference. I.e. The Theory of Forms is only another name for Set Theory, however, Plato exampled it best. Another name is The Two-Element Metaphyics. Aristotle does explain some of it in his works, but he did not understand it. It is part of every living organisms biology. An environmental acquisition system can either abstract form or material difference, never both--we cannot know the thing in itself. But suppose it would be possible, then one would have an identity which would eliminate any need for a life form. In all of this it can be seen the truth of Plato's claim, that when it comes to language, if you cannot distinguish between the names of things, the names of a things form, and the names of a things material difference, in how you use words, it is because you cannot think. This same claim is made by the Judeo-Christian Scriture, and your own biology.