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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Well, if waking-life is a dream, it's a pretty damn impressive one!
      True. Who could make all this stuff up?

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      Sivason is better-equipped to discuss the metaphysics of the "we're all existing inside a greater dream" world vision, but:

      Since reality is as complex as it is, I think that we would not be the ones individually producing the dream of waking-life... there would need to be some sort of vast shared dream wherein we all hold generally similar views of the reality we're dreaming up, and each of us is only a contributor, not a creator.
      Yes. A Matrix sort of thing....

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      Or else we are all just DC's in some god's dream, which makes us even more powerless as individuals. On top of all that, "waking up" from this sort of dream would be extremely difficult -- though I'd bet the rewards for doing so would be pretty impressive. Things like RC's, designed to work as they do in the "waking-life" dream, would be of no help; something much deeper would have to be done.
      Maybe we wake up when we die. That could still be a false awakening, though.

      Anyway, for all practical purposes, it's best to just assume our waking lives are real. If we turn out to be wrong about that, it won't be a big deal.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zthread View Post
      Yes. A Matrix sort of thing....
      Well no, not really... Remember that even the Matrix machines couldn't properly build a waking-life reality for their victims, so they had to settle for a grey, simple, miserable world that their copper-top prisoners could accept. The wonders -- and complexities -- of Reality Itself were beyond both the machines and the humans. That reality transcends our expectations and imaginations might be a hint about its existence.

      Also, in my opinion the Wachowski bros had no real understanding of the whole "there's something bigger than us out there" thing that P.K. Dick talked about, so the Matrix really does not do more than hint at the "We are all just in a dream" theme. So no, I wasn't drawing from the Matrix for my opinion.

      Anyway, for all practical purposes, it's best to just assume our waking lives are real. If we turn out to be wrong about that, it won't be a big deal.
      Maybe that would be best...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Well no, not really... Remember that even the Matrix machines couldn't properly build a waking-life reality for their victims, so they had to settle for a grey, simple, miserable world that their copper-top prisoners could accept.
      Maybe if they had more RAM, were more parallelized, and were faster, though....

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      The wonders -- and complexities -- of Reality Itself were beyond both the machines and the humans. That reality transcends our expectations and imaginations might be a hint about its existence.
      Good point.

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      Also, in my opinion the Wachowski bros had no real understanding of the whole "there's something bigger than us out there" thing that P.K. Dick talked about, so the Matrix really does not do more than hint at the "We are all just in a dream" theme. So no, I wasn't drawing from the Matrix for my opinion.
      Yes, P.K. Dick's writings are probably closer to the idea.

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      Maybe that would be best...
      Maybe. OTOH, who knows?

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