Could you cite your sources for these conclusions? I'd be very interested in reading them.
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ppan. No, can't do that. Not prepared to be lucid dreaming expert, its not
anything i keep files for.
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How do you explain the LaBerge study that concluded that lucid time perception is equal to wakeful time perception? They tested this by having a skilled lucid dreamer make a series of predetermined eye movements to facilitate communication while lucid dreaming. Any thoughts on that?
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Sure, i have heard of lots of such things. Its still true that the dominant
understanding of psychology is that dreams occur while in a REM condition
and that REM conditions peak for only a few seconds. Pseudoscience
can generate all sorts of interesting proofs for its assumptions. Give me the specifics of the test and i'll tell you where its making the mistake.
Something else to consider is that the more lucid a dream is, the more likely
you are to have beta brain waves, which slows things down considerably.
Never mind sleep. The beta level mind samples reality at about 16 clicks per second. The alpha level mind at between that and as high as say 60 clicks per second. The reptile mind or delta level samples at up to a few hundred clicks
per second. Think about it in terms of pure biochemical messaging.
Why would the brain be limited by real time in a brain to brain communication?
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In my personal experience, time perception while LD'ing is equal to that of being awake. But how do you define time perception? I can think of three types of ways to think about time:
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ppan
I'm sorry, but modern science understands that and says everybody is fooled.
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(a) By your observations of events, such as distance travelled or the observance of nightfall, etc.
(b) By the rate at which you consciously process thoughts.
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ppan
Which is determined by what state of consciousness we are in.
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(c) We seem to have an internal clock that keeps us unconsciously aware of the passage of time.
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ppan; yes, very accurate time if this is the reptile brain we are talking about
since its counting heartbeats and other such biological patterns and etc.
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I don't think that (a) is a reliable measure since it's based on observance of the dream imagery. Observing nightfall or quickly flying 10 miles is all part of the flexible and outrageous nature of dreams.
I think that (b) and (c) are related somehow. Judging by these two methods, my perception of time has always been consistent. Years may go by, or days may go by, or I may travel around the world, but it still only feels like a few minutes or few seconds of real-life awake time. I've never had more than several minutes' worth of conscious thoughts in one LD.
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ppan
I have had numerous LD events where subjective time lasted at least several weeks.
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I will say that all of my lucid dreams feel like they are in a "different time and place", as if in a parallel dimension.
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ppan
Qaballists call that dimension Tiferet.
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