Thread: Lucid Dreaming is a sleep disorder.

As to the astral stuff, maybe the SP is in another form. The dream personallity has not re-calibrated itself to the physical form. Since our dream persons are usually much more than our carbon forms could contain without a material or atomic disturbance.

Nice pictures, but who cares what they say? It's yellow press, that's all.

well I can understand sleep paralysis, that is being visited by the hag, a disorder

most people only experience if their sleeping isn't healthy - and most people FREAK OUT when it happens. lucid dreamers use it to their advantage, but lets be honest here, outside of lucid dreaming to most people its just a nighmarish experience where they cant-move-cant-wake-up, and theres a creepy thing applying pressure on you. sometimes holding down your face!

Yeah. My grandma and aunt had that. They both said it felt almost like a man was on them. They were both very scared.

I've experienced it. You know the feeling when someone walks into a room, they fill a void with there prescence. Magnify that by, say 20 times. And to mix that with an HH is full blown. A face with an energy signature. I'm not sure what that classification is, but it can be very enlightening. I've had a few to communicate. Some not so nicely.

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Originally Posted by erik212

http://www.popsci.com/node/23916

I saw that in the PopSci I got a few weeks ago. I think that in that article (which was more of a blurb, not really an article) they are referring to people who get LDs every night. I think this explains why some people are naturals at it. That is, the part of their brain responsible for self-awareness is unusually active during sleep. It may not be as active as those every-nighters, but maybe more active than average. I'm convinced that mine is definitely below average. Side note injection of depression: people who first start out learning about LDing often report having an LD because of thinking about the cool new world open to them while sleeping. I knew about LDs before getting serious about it and actually trying. So it didn't happen for me. yea.

Originally Posted by Rai Saix

Yeah. My grandma and aunt had that. They both said it felt almost like a man was on them. They were both very scared.

When I was very little, I'd wake up in SP quite a bit, probably because I'd
just had a nightmare or had to Pee or something. I was always terrified by
it and many times felt a presence in the room with me. One time I was
actually pulled off my bed by a presence I couldn't see, but when I woke up
out of fright, I was still just laying on my pillow where I should be. As I got
older, I learned how to use this experience to go lucid. Someone explained
to me that I could AP during these episodes. I tried it and indeed used APing
as a way to become lucid, but I knew it wasnt real though, because I did
experiments to make sure. It sure feels real though! AP is just what they
called it way back then, there was no term called lucid dreaming then....that
I ever found anyway. SP is something I've read a lot about though, and a lot
of ppl wake up during it. Everyone I've ever talked to about it has experienced
waking up and not being able to move or talk or scream. So if its so widely
recognized and experienced.....how can it be a disorder?? It seems like it's
a fairly normal experience to me!

Anything that the masses don't have a grasp on, is going to be labeled a disorder. I often wonder how many times humans should have evolved. Instead they dose us up with drugs or chain you to a specialist. All the while spending a lot of money in research to make us fit in. (yes, I know a little hostility build-up) Had to let it out.

Following the logic of this article, schizophrenia would be a healthy state of mind and clear thinking a disorder. Because in most non-lucid dreams we behave as if we're slightly crazy, or at best, completely drunk.
How can knowing the true state of affairs be considered a disorder?
Whoever wrote this is an idiot and are taking things too literally.
Sure lucid dreaming is not the standard form of dreaming, but then again walking on the moon is not the standard behaviour of primates.
Understanding and exploring the universe we live in and then using that knowledge to explore our external and internal universes is human nature at its best.

With this logic anything that isn't "normal" or "standard" is a disorder.
So driving your car of flying to a holiday destination is a disorder.
So is, for that matter meditation.

Another dillema with this way of thinking is that you can consider a nightmare to be a sleep disorder (i doubt anyone would disagree with that)
and lucid dreaming is probably the best cure for that form of disorder.

I would define a disorder as any unusual or altered behaviour that has a negative influence on the well being and lifestyle of a person. I think you'd be hard pushed to find many lucid dreamers who would think that.

I know this thread was written a few years ago, but have you found any helpful answers? My doctor thinks that my lucid dreaming is effecting my stages of sleep and causing me real neurological issues. I have had lucid dreaming for as long as I can remember. Learned some control in my teens, but never considered how it was effecting me on a physical level. My doc thinks that my body never has a chance to heal or rest, due to my lucid dreaming.

Well, thanks ahead of time for your reply. This is a facinating site. Never new there was a site devoted to lucid dreaming. Thanks again, Later!

I've not read that article yet but all I'm going to say is that lucid dreaming is one medical disorder I'd be happy to live with.

@ CrisAnn it doesn't affects your sleep cycles, also, LDing isn't less restful than normal sleep, if you want, I can put you in contact with a natural LDer who knows better about this, she could help you with this.

if lucid dreaming is a disorder then you could consider me mentally retarded lol i enjoy going full retard every night

Thanks hun! I would like that very much. I have been reading more of the site. I had no idea so many people have to work at LD. I like my Lds. Other then my children and I, I do not know of anyone else that has LDs almost everynight. Its facinating to read about others experiences. I just never knew so many people found it just as facinationg, if not more then I. It will be nice to have the reasurence, that something that is so much a part of me, is not hurting me.

Thanks everyone for your replies and I will read that link asap!

LMAO! I do not mind the dreaming, its the waking up that is such a pain in the butt.

My dad has lucid dreams every single night, too I have to work a bit harder at mine, but yep, there are definitely some of us out there who don't realize we're dreaming when we see pink elephants walking down the street

I'll bet you HAVE had some non-lucid dreams in your life though... but I'm willing to bet the reason you don't recognize them, is they are soooo close to real life, right?

Hi Serenity! I dream like everyone else and so not real remember them, then I have my LDs. They can be rather interesting and feel so feel. Then I have my Clair dreams. Sometimes it can get rather hard to tell the difference between the LDs and the Clair dreams. Its kind of cool sometimes. When I have good control I can moke everything stop for just a few seconds so I can take a good look around. Sometimes dreaming is just not fair to real life. Reality just can not compete with out imaginations.

Yeah, I fail to see how lucid dreaming can deprive you of your rest. As long as you're still getting REM sleep every night. The only difference between lucid and non-lucid is that you simply know you're dreaming. What your doctor said makes me wonder if he's even heard of lucid dreaming.

Guys, I wouldn't read too much into this article. It's not really an article per se but a quick series of blurbs about everything from LD to Night Terrors, etc. It also includes things such as sleep disorders, but doesn't specifically say that LD is a sleep disorder. It does say, however that sleep paralysis NORMALLY lifts upon awakening, but if one wakes too fast, the paralysis is still in place. This is NOT normal, however some people have learned to cope with it by realizing what is actually occurring.

Personally, I've never had SP, and I think it would frighten me. I have, however had REM Sleep Behaviour Disorder, where I have punched my wife. It doesn't happen often, but has happened twice now, as well as a number of occasions where no one was in the bed with me. I've punched walls in my sleep, and the bang has woken me up from it.

Originally Posted by CrisAnn

My doctor thinks that my lucid dreaming is effecting my stages of sleep and causing me real neurological issues.

Your doctor sounds like a quack.

My Doc gave me anti depressants for lucid and sp, needless to say i didn't take them.

I read that first tiny paragraph and closed the window, thinking:

"Oh, come on. Increasing your awareness is the first step to lucid dreaming, which anyone can do and therefore have lucids. It's not caused by a brain disorder. xD

And regarding sleep paralysis, it's not necessarily a disorder, your brain just didn't get out of dream mode for a few instances after you woke up, or a few instances before you fell asleep. However, it IS a symptom of narcolepsy, which IS a disorder. Most people will have a sleep paralysis episode in their life, even if it's extremely short."

Krinks,
I do the same thing. I have put my foot through drywall, woken up in odd place in my home and others, and my poor hubby has had to sleep on the couch. I feel for you and your wife.