Thread: I've had lucid dreams since childhood. I have no limits. I don't understand others who have limits.

Originally Posted by Eddy

Why is it important to you that I admit that?]

It's important because that lets me know you're not full of shit. There's always someone who comes in here claiming to have perfect control. Usually they claim that hey got bored with lucid dreaming, which is just impossible. And they never have any advice on control to give either. Not that I'm saying that's the case with you.

Originally Posted by Eddy

I guess I've just simplified things to the basics of what a dream is - thoughts.

That makes me believe you. I've done pretty much the same thing. A lot of people try to use techniques to accomplish stuff, but those techniques end up becoming unnecessary distraction.

Originally Posted by Eddy

I understand what you mean and I should rephrase my comment. When I say complete control it means complete control in what I intend to do in the dream. So far, in recent years, I haven't run into a barrier of what I intended to do in the dream. Does that mean I can take someone else's idea (like cloning myself and looking thru 100 eyes) and have control - I don't know. It's only been complete control when its something I have a desire to do or accomplish. It has to come from my own heart (or in this case mind, but you know what I mean). I have seen thru other people's eyes including created characters, but never thought of cloning myself 100 times. That's a new one.

Well that's not quite the same thing, and your claims of control are not so grandiose and they first sounded. I see your point though. If your goal is to move a mountain, it doesn't matter how it gets moved. Why most people fail at control is they try to do things in too specific a manner, like move a mountain by having it carried away by a million Elvis impersonators. Failure usually occurs with the method.

But if you can't find a way to execute specific ways of controlling things, you can't claim to have perfect control. Even though your simplified method is more efficient and better in every way.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Well that's not quite the same thing, and your claims of control are not so grandiose and they first sounded. I see your point though. If your goal is to move a mountain, it doesn't matter how it gets moved. Why most people fail at control is they try to do things in too specific a manner, like move a mountain by having it carried away by a million Elvis impersonators. Failure usually occurs with the method.

But if you can't find a way to execute specific ways of controlling things, you can't claim to have perfect control. Even though your simplified method is more efficient and better in every way.

First of all, when I first came to this forum I didn't realize my lucid dreams would seem so 'grandiose' in the presence of the like-minded. So, forgive me for not expressing myself in a more acceptable way.

Secondly, when I said perfect control I meant I have perfect control in what I attempt to do in my dream and in my way. I simply don't have a hinderance. If I want to move a mountain I move it the way I find the most pleasing to me. Surely, there are others on here that experience this freedom. I'm not saying I have control to move the mountain the way someone else requests of me. It has to be my own thoughts, my own will. When it comes from within I find freedom to manipulate the dream.

Originally Posted by Eddy

First of all, when I first came to this forum I didn't realize my lucid dreams would seem so 'grandiose' in the presence of the like-minded. So, forgive me for not expressing myself in a more acceptable way.

Secondly, when I said perfect control I meant I have perfect control in what I attempt to do in my dream and in my way. I simply don't have a hinderance. If I want to move a mountain I move it the way I find the most pleasing to me. Surely, there are others on here that experience this freedom. I'm not saying I have control to move the mountain the way someone else requests of me. It has to be my own thoughts, my own will. When it comes from within I find freedom to manipulate the dream.

Ever considered getting involved with a sleep lab?
If you're claims are true, and i see no reason why they shouldn't be,
Your natural skills would be of great use to those who are studying dreams and lucid dreaming.

So essentially you make a thread to wave your ability over others? That isn't exactly sportsmanlike, I'm sure we could all make high-and-mighty threads like this, applauding our abilities in goemetry or poetry or horseriding.

Eh, forgive my outburst, but a title like that is pretty arrogant.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

So essentially you make a thread to wave your ability over others? That isn't exactly sportsmanlike, I'm sure we could all make high-and-mighty threads like this, applauding our abilities in goemetry or poetry or horseriding.

Eh, forgive my outburst, but a title like that is pretty arrogant.

I never dreamed (pun intended) that my title would be thought of in that way nor did I think sharing my experiences on a site like this would be considered bragging. I guess I didn't explore this site enough and thought others on here were just like me. I simply was trying to express my interest in receiving input from others that would help me understand those who find lucid dreaming difficult when it seems easy to me. That is not arrogant and I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm a blunt person and maybe expressing my experience through the crude means of typing was a mistake. It is always better to hear a person's voice and even to see them to get the true intent of a person's thoughts and even then misunderstandings occur. Language has one big barrier and that is we can't completely feel and know someone from their eyes while they speak to us. Reading someone's typed out thoughts and trying to grasp that person's full intent is even more difficult. I'll do better in the future, if I continue on this forum, to write in such a way to hopefully prevent mistaken profiling of my intent.

some people are natural lucid dreamers, and some people aren't. its that simple. its just like how some people have the gift to naturally play piano extremely well, a prodigy if you will, now other people may not have the gift of naturally being a piano master, but they can learn.

Originally Posted by Unelias

There is no such thing as perfection, hence there is no perfect control. I don't doubt your abilities, yet I trust that skills come with practice and honing it through experience. I see nothing strange there that people have problems in the start, before they achieve the line when they are able to excel better control. I think you just have trained yourself along the years, even if you haven't noticed.

Moreover, the perfect control. I don't buy it. Great control, all right, but not perfect. Have you tried to clone yourself with 100 copies and see through eyes of them all? Have you perfectly copied feelings, smells, sounds etc? Choices are pretty much endless.

I tried this. I can clone myself into many copies, but I can't see out the eyes of them all (yet). I end up going into third person. There is a user on here, Mylynes that can do it, but he doesn't post much.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

So essentially you make a thread to wave your ability over others? That isn't exactly sportsmanlike, I'm sure we could all make high-and-mighty threads like this, applauding our abilities in goemetry or poetry or horseriding.

Eh, forgive my outburst, but a title like that is pretty arrogant.

People are by nature egocentric, which is different from being egotistical. Being egocentric means that you assume others are like you, and it's hard to understand others who are not like you.

He made a very egocentric statement, which has been mistaken for egotistical.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Ever considered getting involved with a sleep lab?
If you're claims are true, and i see no reason why they shouldn't be,
Your natural skills would be of great use to those who are studying dreams and lucid dreaming.

I was invited to submit my experiences for a movie about dreams (from a mainstream director), but when it came down to getting paid for helping write the script the producer didn't want to pay what I felt the time was worth, but would give me credit in the film's credits. I don't care about seeing my name in a film. What I cared about was compensation and it wasn't enough.

I don't know much about sleep labs and have never been invited to participate.