Thread: Using DCs to access forgotten memories/subconscious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records

DCs should be able to do this since usually they are part of your subconscious. So I don't see why your subconscious self wouldn't be able to access some of your subconscious information.

I agree. Your DC's should at least be able to access your own subconscious, they are created from your own mind and subconscious after all, but perhaps this can only be done with a firm self belief that it's possible and a pursuance of such task to prove so.

I wonder if anything that you remember really happens or is just made up.. like everything else :O

yup I have been thinking about this for a while now- I used to speak greek fluently now I have half-forgotten it. I am thinking by using LD's I can 're-activate' that knowledge

if dc's are their own person, so to speak, then wouldn't they each see your past from their own unique subjective perspective?

something about akashic records implies objectivity to me, which would imply beyond character at all...

i would think AP would be better for that. going back in time and viewing the event.

however even then... how accurate is memory, ever? aren't there some who argue that memory is at best something cobbled together in present time, taking emotions and logic and current needs into account, a dynamic linear program, so to speak? even if it is viewing past events?

Originally Posted by TheDreamKing

Well I don't know if you can reach the Akashic records during a lucid dream because I know they are located between the 7 planes of existence and usually you'll get there during Astral Projection or OBE. If you do get there during a lucid dream than it won't be a lucid dream anymore, most likely you will be in the astral plane of existence, but that's another topic in itself.

Who says an astral projection can't be a lucid dream? Or vice versa? I often start out in a lucid dream and through meditation can progress to higher astral planes. But it's still all a lucid dream to me. None of this stuff can be proven, so everyone's individual opinion and interpretation is really the only one that matters.

I agree with Aquanina. It is all connected. Once you're lucid, it is easy to bounce around to other altered states.

It's not the same planes but through lucidity and meditation I think it is easier to acess both.

I've never bought into this whole "planes" nonsense. I think it is just a useful model for comprehending the experience. Don't let it begin to limit you. Only use the model so far as it is useful, then abandon it in favor of the real experience.

Today I was shown a very, very old book. It was from deep in my childhood, probably around 5-8 years old. The book had been long since forgotten, and it almsot brought me t tears seeing it again, I am now ENTHRALLED by the idea of using DC's to access older memories, I think it would be an AMAZING experience!

DC's can't even answer my simple questions. I doubt the things they say or do will help me with forgotten memories.

Originally Posted by TheDreamKing

Astral projection is astral projection, Lucid Dream is Lucid Dream and yes you can call them whatever you want and you can get there through either one vice versa but they are still not the same planes.

In lucid dreaming:

You are asleep
Your experience is a dream
Your location is whereever you wish it to be (desert, ocean, future, past, mom’s house, etc.)
Your consciousness is still inside your body
You can control the environment and characters
When the experience is over, you simply wake up

In astral projection:

You awaken, then you project
Your experience is real
Your experience begins in your bedroom, or wherever your body is
Your consciousness is outside of your body, and your body is left with none
You can manipulate your environment in the astral realm (somewhat), but you cannot control the actions of the inhabitants of the astral plane.
When the experience is over, you return to your body and merge your consciousness back into it

What......exactly, is used to dignify the astral experience as "real" respectively to the Lucid Dream.

Originally Posted by TheDreamKing

Astral projection is astral projection, Lucid Dream is Lucid Dream and yes you can call them whatever you want and you can get there through either one vice versa but they are still not the same planes.

In lucid dreaming:

You are asleep
Your experience is a dream
Your location is whereever you wish it to be (desert, ocean, future, past, mom’s house, etc.)
Your consciousness is still inside your body
You can control the environment and characters
When the experience is over, you simply wake up

In astral projection:

You awaken, then you project
Your experience is real
Your experience begins in your bedroom, or wherever your body is
Your consciousness is outside of your body, and your body is left with none
You can manipulate your environment in the astral realm (somewhat), but you cannot control the actions of the inhabitants of the astral plane.
When the experience is over, you return to your body and merge your consciousness back into it

Do not state such things as fact, and if you do...be prepared to cite your legitimate sources please.

And I have some major issues with your generalizations.

In lucid dreaming:

You are asleep
(obviously)

Your experience is a dream
(again, obviously)

Your location is whereever you wish it to be (desert, ocean, future, past, mom’s house, etc.)
(not always)

Your consciousness is still inside your body
(how do you know?)

You can control the environment and characters
(um no, a lot of people find they have very little control actually)

When the experience is over, you simply wake up
(not always, you might enter a non-lucid dream, lucid dream, AP, etc)


In astral projection:

You awaken, then you project
(you're saying that you are not asleep? what does "project" mean, how do you do it? sources please?)

Your experience is real
(as opposed to...fake? please clarify.)

Your experience begins in your bedroom, or wherever your body is
(definitely not always, maybe for the lower "earthly" astral planes, but anyone with knowledge about AP will tell you that you can access higher astral planes through LDing)

Your consciousness is outside of your body, and your body is left with none
(proof? evidence? sources? anything?)

You can manipulate your environment in the astral realm (somewhat), but you cannot control the actions of the inhabitants of the astral plane.
(actually agree with you on this one)

When the experience is over, you return to your body and merge your consciousness back into it
(again, there is absolutely nothing to prove this, it's what you believe, do not state it as fact)

...and I'm sorry for crapping up a wonderfully terrific thread, but some people need to get their shit straight or at least stop generalizing and stating their opinion as fact.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

...and I'm sorry for crapping up a wonderfully terrific thread, but some people need to get their shit straight or at least stop generalizing and stating their opinion as fact.

I agree with you on pretty much all of that, but he said you "can" have control, not will. I know its just symantics but its worth noting that.

Particularly good point on being outside and inside of your body. It could all be an elborate dream. People claim to move things during AP then find them moved, but maybe they moved them previously sub-consciously. I know I often close doors, turn off lights, and do stuff not because I want to but because its habbit.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Do not state such things as fact, and if you do...be prepared to cite your legitimate sources please.

...and I'm sorry for crapping up a wonderfully terrific thread, but some people need to get their shit straight or at least stop generalizing and stating their opinion as fact.

completly agree. astral projection is like misguided MILD in my opinion since you can use MILD for anything- the point is you know it's in your head. The only way to 'prove' it was an astral projection is if something happened while you were asleep and you saw it in your projection or just saw something you wouldn't have been able to see otherwise and later verified it to be true


otherwise, you could use MILD to "astrally project" yourself to your minds rendition of the egyptian afterlife or to wonderland or World of Warcraft for all it's worth it won't make it true just cause 'you believe'

Who said anything about fact? I simply gave you my opinion, and like I've said if you read my previous thread I mention that we can call it whatever we want but it seem like you have a problem with my opinion and my experiences... Oh Well. I didn't join this forum to lay down fact and to start arguing and cursing and all with DV members, you can do that on YouTube or Myspace as far as I know. You want sources, Proof and all, guess what? there isn't any because as of right now all the proof is in ourselves and in all our experiences.

Originally Posted by TheDreamKing

Who said anything about fact? I simply gave you my opinion

It was the way you wrote it that made it sound as if you were giving conclusive answers.

Originally Posted by TheDreamKing

You want sources, Proof and all, guess what? there isn't any because as of right now all the proof is in ourselves and in all our experiences.

Well don't be so surprised when people question you.

Originally Posted by Loaf

It was the way you wrote it that made it sound as if you were giving conclusive answers.



Well don't be so surprised when people question you.

Well they can question as much as they want but when they get an answer they don't like all of a sudden the answers became conclusive to them. But I can careless what anyone think anyway, it's probably better to answer a DV question through PM only, that should save me all the headache.

Originally Posted by TheDreamKing

You want sources, Proof and all, guess what? there isn't any because as of right now all the proof is in ourselves and in all our experiences.

No offense but, sometimes, our perceptions are wrong. A nice example is the old geocentric belief that the sun rotates around the earth.

From my experience and from my point of view as an earth inhabitant i would be lead to believe in this. But science has discovered and proved that the heliocentric model is the right one and the old empiric belief was abandoned.

I'm not saying you are wrong but i can't say you are right either...