Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Thanks for the great tutorial! I have used autosuggestion to wake up multiple times a night, repeating "I will wake up after every dream", but I have trouble not moving when I wake up. How should I learn to stay still after a dream? I have been thinking of using the manta "I will wake up after every dream and stay completely still". Are there any better mantas/techniques?

Okay, well not a successful DEILD, But I'm still able to wake from dreams. XD continuing tonight.

Originally Posted by hathor28

I thought deild was based on continuing a dream, no matter how you do it. ? Or is that a dild?

Not really, sometimes people can fall asleep and then become lucid once in the dream and it may seem as if it was a Deild, other times people will move after they wake up and do a quick Wild. Its hard to draw a line between Deild and Wild but in general Deilding only take 1-2 minutes max.

Originally Posted by ThAtaInTmE

dutchraptor, nice tutorial. DEILD has been my goal for about two weeks now, and im glad to see a decent tutorial.
For me, a mantra is enough to realize when i wake up after a dream, but not enough to keep me from moving. Any suggestions?

Thanks, mantra's is all you've got. Over time you will learn not to move, it can be hard but just keep trying.

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

Im going to try this everyday until i get it. I woke up this morning at 730 was very disappointed. My earphones were out of my ears and i didnt wake up from my alarm. Going to try a longer/louder alarm

Ya happens to me sometimes if I'm really tired the alarm doesn't wake me up . You have great determination btw, can wait to start hearing of results

Originally Posted by VictoReverie

Thanks for the great tutorial! I have used autosuggestion to wake up multiple times a night, repeating "I will wake up after every dream", but I have trouble not moving when I wake up. How should I learn to stay still after a dream? I have been thinking of using the manta "I will wake up after every dream and stay completely still". Are there any better mantas/techniques?

It's hard to practise two mantras so maybe switch every night. night 1 you say I will stay completely still once i wake up, night 2 you say I will wake up after my dream etc etc.

why do you recommend 3 hours instead of 4-6? i think i know why but not quite sure. tried this again last night. woke up before my alarm went off. Alarm sounded ten minutes later

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

why do you recommend 3 hours instead of 4-6? i think i know why but not quite sure

I picked three hours because when you wake up around then your mind is still half asleep, its easier to fall to let your body fall asleep and you will have less things on your mind. Off course this only applies to if you are using an alarm and it is based on my on experiences, you can still mess about with these kinda stuff. In general I wake up between 3 and 4 and a half hours from when I fall asleep.

I've tried this the last three nights, I slept through the alarm the first two nights so I told myself instead of an alarm I will just wake up at a certain time. It worked but unfortunately I forgot about staying still and keeping eyes closed. Ah well, progress at least.

Hey dutch. I've been amazed at how easy it is to use autosuggestion to wake yourself up. So I've done it for the past three nights (each time I woke up I got up and loomed around because I was confused lol) and I wasn't successful on any but last night, I couldn't remember any dreams... I also woke up with my blanket kicked to the side. Does that mean I didn't have sleep paralysis? Was it because I have been trying to DEILD and messed up my sleeping schedule?

Originally Posted by bobberski

Hey dutch. I've been amazed at how easy it is to use autosuggestion to wake yourself up. So I've done it for the past three nights (each time I woke up I got up and loomed around because I was confused lol) and I wasn't successful on any but last night, I couldn't remember any dreams... I also woke up with my blanket kicked to the side. Does that mean I didn't have sleep paralysis? Was it because I have been trying to DEILD and messed up my sleeping schedule?

I don't know but I honestly doubt it, I mean you've only been trying for a few days. The fact that you are already able to wake yourself up is huge progress. When things like this go wrong don't try analyse them. The best thing to do is just have patience and keep experimenting. I can tell you three pages of info and not a single piece might be useful to you. I wrote this guide as a working base for people to build upon, I know this technique can work brilliantly but the best knowledge you will gain is from experience and trying it out.
I'm sure you will be fine.

Gonna try DEILD again tonight, this time, aiming to wake up with eyes closed, and without moving. What kind of mantra would I use for that?.
I was thinking "I will wake up after my dreams with my body motionless and my eyes closed."

Originally Posted by LucidRaider

Gonna try DEILD again tonight, this time, aiming to wake up with eyes closed, and without moving. What kind of mantra would I use for that?.
I was thinking "I will wake up after my dreams with my body motionless and my eyes closed."

Sounds good, I'm sure it will work. I think the main part about mantras is that you visualize it while you are saying them. Don't just say the mantra but think about it going to happen. Sometimes I'm repeating my manta but I am actually just thinking about the day or a movie etc.

I do that. I do what you said too.
I state my mantra, I vizualize/conceptualize it happening, then wait until I think of something else while saying it, and restart, and do it 2 or 3 times.

Hey guys I found something VERY interesting that may help you remember to NOT move. It's a subliminal messaging program. You can type in whatever you want in it and then every few seconds it will flash it on the screen so quickly you won't notice it unless you are conciousley looking for it. Anyway here it is. http://richard.warburton.it/fst/

Hey everyone, so I'm very very new but I did manage to have my first LD the other night (That's why I came on here, wanting to have more )
Anyway, so I found a WILD tutorial first so I tried that the first couple nights with no results
But I stumbled onto your DEILD tutorial yesterday and tried it last night. Sadly, I didn't have a proper LD but I know it's just my first night.
Although, I definitely got more results from one night DIELDing than a few nights WILDing!
I set my custom alarm that only rings for a few seconds and I remember waking up and not moving and keeping my eyes closed (I was surprised I could do that on my first night) so I stayed completely still and within 15 seconds there was an unmistakable wave that shot through and over my body (it was something I've never ever experienced before) and with that, I had some kind of audio in my ears but I can't really remember what it was, I just remember there were sounds. (It wasn't scary sounds)
So after that I just layed there not really knowing what to do but wanting my mind to stay conscious so I started counting down from 100... when I reached about 80 I started seeing really bright lights going distinctly off and on behind my eyelids and I knew that was the signal to start imagining my dream scene. So I started imaging laying on a beach (tried to use the bright lights as a bright sun) and I tried to imagine how the sand would feel, what the ocean would sound like and the smell of the sea salt air. But this is the weird part, after imagining, nothing really happened, so i tried the "sit up" technique to get my dream body moving. It was harder than I thought but i managed to sit up, and then I realised I had really large wings instead of arms helping me sit up and I realised I must have been dreaming. But then nothing...I don't remember anything more from that, no dream, no nothing Does anyone know what I could have done instead to try and get lucid?
Anyway, sorry about the long post. Just wanted to share my experience with the technique DEILD and how it's achieved so much for me in only one attempt!
So thank-you so much Dutchraptor! Can't wait to try again tonight!

Originally Posted by Kaffy

Hey everyone, so I'm very very new but I did manage to have my first LD the other night (That's why I came on here, wanting to have more )
Anyway, so I found a WILD tutorial first so I tried that the first couple nights with no results
But I stumbled onto your DEILD tutorial yesterday and tried it last night. Sadly, I didn't have a proper LD but I know it's just my first night.
Although, I definitely got more results from one night DIELDing than a few nights WILDing!
I set my custom alarm that only rings for a few seconds and I remember waking up and not moving and keeping my eyes closed (I was surprised I could do that on my first night) so I stayed completely still and within 15 seconds there was an unmistakable wave that shot through and over my body (it was something I've never ever experienced before) and with that, I had some kind of audio in my ears but I can't really remember what it was, I just remember there were sounds. (It wasn't scary sounds)
So after that I just layed there not really knowing what to do but wanting my mind to stay conscious so I started counting down from 100... when I reached about 80 I started seeing really bright lights going distinctly off and on behind my eyelids and I knew that was the signal to start imagining my dream scene. So I started imaging laying on a beach (tried to use the bright lights as a bright sun) and I tried to imagine how the sand would feel, what the ocean would sound like and the smell of the sea salt air. But this is the weird part, after imagining, nothing really happened, so i tried the "sit up" technique to get my dream body moving. It was harder than I thought but i managed to sit up, and then I realised I had really large wings instead of arms helping me sit up and I realised I must have been dreaming. But then nothing...I don't remember anything more from that, no dream, no nothing Does anyone know what I could have done instead to try and get lucid?
Anyway, sorry about the long post. Just wanted to share my experience with the technique DEILD and how it's achieved so much for me in only one attempt!
So thank-you so much Dutchraptor! Can't wait to try again tonight!

Hey man. I know exactly what you must do. After the wave sensation you described has stopped IMMEDIATELY roll out of your bed. When you roll out you it would be your dream body rolling out NOT your physical body. And just to clarify don't imagine yourself rolling out, you actually must try to roll out.

The roll out method IMO is the easiest exit technique

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Hey man. I know exactly what you must do. After the wave sensation you described has stopped IMMEDIATELY roll out of your bed. When you roll out you it would be your dream body rolling out NOT your physical body. And just to clarify don't imagine yourself rolling out, you actually must try to roll out.

The roll out method IMO is the easiest exit technique

Thanks heaps Daredevilpwn! I can't wait to try that tonight!
So just to clarify, after the wave sensation has stopped, I 'actually' try and roll out of my bed, but because I should be in SP, only my dream body will roll out?

Originally Posted by Kaffy

Thanks heaps Daredevilpwn! I can't wait to try that tonight!
So just to clarify, after the wave sensation has stopped, I 'actually' try and roll out of my bed, but because I should be in SP, only my dream body will roll out?

No problem! And yes that is correct. Your body is in complete paralysis when the wave sensation is done. So when you actually try to 'move' what moves is your dream body and not your physical body.

i have never liked auto suggestion but i saw this and tried it last night. i used auto suggestion and self hypnosis before bed then tried to go to sleep. then the next thing i knew i was lying there and i could see my room through my eye lids. but then i slowly woke up and didnt get the deild.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Sounds good, I'm sure it will work. I think the main part about mantras is that you visualize it while you are saying them. Don't just say the mantra but think about it going to happen. Sometimes I'm repeating my manta but I am actually just thinking about the day or a movie etc.

Thanks, some of the advice in this thread is great, I'm still having a bit of trouble with moving when I wake up, I move and then a second or even less after I'm like "DAMN, DEILD"

I just have to focus more on the moving then the waking up and see if I do wake up still. I actually have deilded once, I woke up still and sort of just kept laying there and wasn't even thinking of anything in particular and then I was 'sucked' into the dream and I was definitely lucid but it ended when I looked under my bed into darkness, should have stabilised a bit more, should be good next time.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Hey guys I found something VERY interesting that may help you remember to NOT move. It's a subliminal messaging program. You can type in whatever you want in it and then every few seconds it will flash it on the screen so quickly you won't notice it unless you are conciousley looking for it. Anyway here it is. http://richard.warburton.it/fst/

Ya I used a program like that for a while called brainbullet, but my computer kept freezing up

Originally Posted by Kaffy

Hey everyone, so I'm very very new but I did manage to have my first LD the other night (That's why I came on here, wanting to have more )
Anyway, so I found a WILD tutorial first so I tried that the first couple nights with no results
But I stumbled onto your DEILD tutorial yesterday and tried it last night. Sadly, I didn't have a proper LD but I know it's just my first night.
Although, I definitely got more results from one night DIELDing than a few nights WILDing!
I set my custom alarm that only rings for a few seconds and I remember waking up and not moving and keeping my eyes closed (I was surprised I could do that on my first night) so I stayed completely still and within 15 seconds there was an unmistakable wave that shot through and over my body (it was something I've never ever experienced before) and with that, I had some kind of audio in my ears but I can't really remember what it was, I just remember there were sounds. (It wasn't scary sounds)
So after that I just layed there not really knowing what to do but wanting my mind to stay conscious so I started counting down from 100... when I reached about 80 I started seeing really bright lights going distinctly off and on behind my eyelids and I knew that was the signal to start imagining my dream scene. So I started imaging laying on a beach (tried to use the bright lights as a bright sun) and I tried to imagine how the sand would feel, what the ocean would sound like and the smell of the sea salt air. But this is the weird part, after imagining, nothing really happened, so i tried the "sit up" technique to get my dream body moving. It was harder than I thought but i managed to sit up, and then I realised I had really large wings instead of arms helping me sit up and I realised I must have been dreaming. But then nothing...I don't remember anything more from that, no dream, no nothing Does anyone know what I could have done instead to try and get lucid?
Anyway, sorry about the long post. Just wanted to share my experience with the technique DEILD and how it's achieved so much for me in only one attempt!
So thank-you so much Dutchraptor! Can't wait to try again tonight!

That's amazing kaffy the amount of succes in this thread is amazing. I'm glad it works so well for you, keep us updated

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Hey man. I know exactly what you must do. After the wave sensation you described has stopped IMMEDIATELY roll out of your bed. When you roll out you it would be your dream body rolling out NOT your physical body. And just to clarify don't imagine yourself rolling out, you actually must try to roll out.

The roll out method IMO is the easiest exit technique

Agreed, works very often.

Originally Posted by enak101

Thanks, some of the advice in this thread is great, I'm still having a bit of trouble with moving when I wake up, I move and then a second or even less after I'm like "DAMN, DEILD"

Hahaha ya I know that feeling

having zero luck with waking up from an alarm. I change my alarm time and everytime i change it, i still wake up before it goes off. My 1st natural awakening, i always move. The ones that come after I stay perfectly still and never end up (only a couple times i ended up in SP from DEILDs) in SP or dream. Once school starts again, ill probably be able to get this down, but im still trying

Alright. So I woke up stayed still. I felt the vibes again. I roll out into the dream. My goal was to go through the mirror to see what would happen.First thing I noticed was that my body was clear and see through. I saw the nearest mirror. As soon as I touched it the dream just collapses and it reforms. I lost lucidity and I am now in this big open forest area. Lions spawn and come at me but I use my will to keep them away. Then it turns night time then some creature with a bow and arrow shoots at me. It doesn't harm me. Then the dream collapses again and I wake up.

I know this isn't a dream journal but I just wanted to post my success
Anyway from what I have experienced apparently touching mirror=lose lucidity+transported to a completly new world.
hopefully when I do it again I won't be teleported to some weird place.

Seems interesting! It has been a long time since i did a DEILD. Gonna try this tonight, will let you know how it went.

Last night went pretty good. I woke up and stayed still 2 times. At least, I don't remember moving

I think it was because of my old mantra having the words "won't move" I changed it to "and lay motionless". This time I really emphasised the lay motionless part and imagined waking up laying still. I think I need to work on my recall so I have a dream to enter though , any experience with creating a new dream scene in your head dutchraptor?

I've had some pretty insane success with waking up after each of my dreams, even at my friend's house. I haven't been able to completely relax, recall all my dreams, or attempt to lucid dream, but I am remembering to wake up and lay still after each dream.