Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

I wake up an alarm but i need to roll over and slap it to turn it off. will that mess this up?

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

I haven't really tried DEILDing too much, and I have only done it once, but I do have a lot of FAs. it seems like every false awakening I have doesn't last very long if I realize I am lucid, and DEILDing has a lot of them. That is why I haven't tried it much.

So basically, best way to get out of your room from a false awakening? And does stabilizing fix it?

I have only become lucid after 2 FAs, so I don't have much experience, but it seems like from reading peoples dream journals as well that they don't last long either.

Well in a DEILD it really aint a false awakeing since you are only finding yourself in your room, so all you have to do is reality check and use one of the various methods of teleportation or flying etc.

......Here's the bad news, if you are practising DEILD you are not aloud to move when you wake up, meaning that you cant test reality through a conventional method. However I devised a safety net, everytime you wake up no matter for what, try to float. If it's a dream you will float and realize it's a dream, if not then you know to go on DEILDing or whateevr you're doing.
As for the length of FA's I really don't know, if a FA turns into a LD it would be classified as a DILD which are known to be blurry at times, they can vary in length however. I once had a FA in which I spent an entire hour getting ready for school.

Originally Posted by SIMDML

Thank you dutchraptor for this great guide! I think success is very close for me! I am able to wake up motionless, eyes closed up to five times a night, and I think I have great visualization skills. The only thing remaining is the transition into the dream, and I know I won't get in SP because of an unintentional DEILD I had (it was actually one of my first LD). Do you have any advice for me ? Thanks again for your awesome guide!!

When you are trying to transition in general try to lose focus, in my guide I say stay still but I never really focused on letting your thoughts drift. I like to do a few things, first I imagine myself on a stairs, every step I take I go deeper into a calm state, then once I reach the bottom I try to focus on a noise in the room, if there is none I imagine there being one. It keeps me completely distracted and stops me from thinking about getting into SP or swallowing and just let my body fall asleep. You should be able to recognize when you are netering your dream as it will feel like you are looking through your eyelids for a second or two.

Originally Posted by HawkeyeTy

I've got a question Dutch, I've been trying MILD for some time, whether it was me trying to use if for DEILD or for DILD, it doesn't always seem to do much. I've even tried your suggestion of waking up after so many hours of sleep to attempt it. Still nothing, if anything the grogginess of me just waking up seems to hinder my ability to repeat a mantra effectively.
Do you have any other suggestions?

Ya I kinda suffer of this too, the best for me is to go to the toilet, the movement and lights clear my mind just enough to be able to repeat mantras. As long as you can repeat a good 10-20 of them with meaning it will have an effect, and falling asleep while saying them can often work in your favour.

Originally Posted by RXC573

I wake up an alarm but i need to roll over and slap it to turn it off. will that mess this up?

Most likely, but the alarm isn't the best choice anyways. What you should do is wake up after a given time, turn off your alarm and repeat to yourself "I will wake up in a few minutes" or something along the line of that, waking up naturally is alot more effective

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Well in a DEILD it really aint a false awakeing since you are only finding yourself in your room, so all you have to do is reality check and use one of the various methods of teleportation or flying etc.

......Here's the bad news, if you are practising DEILD you are not aloud to move when you wake up, meaning that you cant test reality through a conventional method. However I devised a safety net, everytime you wake up no matter for what, try to float. If it's a dream you will float and realize it's a dream, if not then you know to go on DEILDing or whateevr you're doing.
As for the length of FA's I really don't know, if a FA turns into a LD it would be classified as a DILD which are known to be blurry at times, they can vary in length however. I once had a FA in which I spent an entire hour getting ready for school.

Thanks for the advice. I have a mirror in my room, might try that next time for teleporting.

Thank you! I'll try that tonight!

Amazing thread hope to try it out tonight.

Oh Yeah! This worked sooo well this night. I am relatively new to lucid dreaming. I had several lucid dreams 2 years ago but than stopped practicing for whatever reason.

I read the tutorial yesterday and combined it with only two days of ADA. I had 3 or 4 LD last night I don't really want to count a false awakening where I thought I rolled out of my body to early and than fall out of my bed and landed on the ground.

Mantras work wonders for me. I told my self to wake up after every dream and so I did. But on my first try I shortly opened my eyes and moved my arm. But I still tried to DEILD. Didn't work and took me an hour to fall asleep again because I was so excited. Than in my first dream someone told another person, that he is there to tell him he is in a dream. I became lucid and did a reality check. The dream didn't last long because it was towards the end. But as soon as the dream started fading I knew what I have to do when I wake up. Not a minute later I was in my next lucid dream! AMAZING! This technique works really great.
As soon as that lucid dream ended (it was the longest and most vivid I every had) I knew again what to do and layed still and DEILDed. But that one was the false awakening I mentioned. I went back to bed, without doing a reality check. I used the same technique again and was in my 3rd Lucid Dream!!! That one wasn't so vivid and I couldn't really scream out "vividness".
I only had maybe 15 LD in total so having three in one night was just amazing.
Thank you!!

Originally Posted by Loooo

Oh Yeah! This worked sooo well this night. I am relatively new to lucid dreaming. I had several lucid dreams 2 years ago but than stopped practicing for whatever reason.

I read the tutorial yesterday and combined it with only two days of ADA. I had 3 or 4 LD last night I don't really want to count a false awakening where I thought I rolled out of my body to early and than fall out of my bed and landed on the ground.

Mantras work wonders for me. I told my self to wake up after every dream and so I did. But on my first try I shortly opened my eyes and moved my arm. But I still tried to DEILD. Didn't work and took me an hour to fall asleep again because I was so excited. Than in my first dream someone told another person, that he is there to tell him he is in a dream. I became lucid and did a reality check. The dream didn't last long because it was towards the end. But as soon as the dream started fading I knew what I have to do when I wake up. Not a minute later I was in my next lucid dream! AMAZING! This technique works really great.
As soon as that lucid dream ended (it was the longest and most vivid I every had) I knew again what to do and layed still and DEILDed. But that one was the false awakening I mentioned. I went back to bed, without doing a reality check. I used the same technique again and was in my 3rd Lucid Dream!!! That one wasn't so vivid and I couldn't really scream out "vividness".
I only had maybe 15 LD in total so having three in one night was just amazing.
Thank you!!

WOW well done, this is purely excellent. Only two days of ADA and you are going at a rate that took me months to build up . Glad you liked the guide and I hope everyone gets the same success as you did.

Last two nights I had no success. I felt more tired upon waking up during the night, and forgot to lay still. I have to work on laying still. If I can master this than I think this technique is great for me, because I already wake up naturally during the night.

Could you sum up the tips on how to do that?

I'll try this method tonight as my WILD'S are not being successful, I'll post my results tomorrow.

There is one thing I wanted to ask before I attempt your method. I was always under the impression that you do not start dreaming until 5 to 6 hours after you go to sleep, the first 5 to 6 hours is spent rejuvinating your body then you enter the deep REM cycles of sleep? Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by Loooo

Last two nights I had no success. I felt more tired upon waking up during the night, and forgot to lay still. I have to work on laying still. If I can master this than I think this technique is great for me, because I already wake up naturally during the night.

Could you sum up the tips on how to do that?

I use the mantra "I will recognize as I am waking up and stay completely still", then I notice I'm waking up as my dream ends and I remind myself to stay still. It may take a few nights of practise.

Originally Posted by BossMan

I'll try this method tonight as my WILD'S are not being successful, I'll post my results tomorrow.

There is one thing I wanted to ask before I attempt your method. I was always under the impression that you do not start dreaming until 5 to 6 hours after you go to sleep, the first 5 to 6 hours is spent rejuvinating your body then you enter the deep REM cycles of sleep? Am I wrong?

Yes, you enter a REM period every 90 mins on average throughout the night, as the night passes it becomes longer lasting up to an hour after 8 hours of sleep. It is actually most effective to wake up around 3-4 hours after falling asleep for this method so that you don't wake up too much and you can easily fall into the dream consciously.
Good luck, it might take a few nights to get right though.

great thread!!!

Somehow I didn't had a successful Lucid Dream since that night a week ago. I feel the harder I try the harder it gets. Even though I am getting a lot of sleep I wake up less during the night and always start moving before I even notice that I have woken up.
I am going to start all over and practice waking up without any movement. I am going to use the mantras.

How have the mantras worked the best for you? If you say them only a couple of times while really imagining the action of waking up competely still? Or by repeating the sentence over and over again until you fall asleep?

I just read your guide again. I thought I had it all in my head, but forgot about the part, that you have to lose the focus off your real body... I always concentrated on my body until I thought I was able to move my dream body and "roll" out of bed.
I think I have to work on the imagination part. I really want to master DEILD! Because I already know that it can be easy once you are able to wake up still. The only time I was able to this, was when I woke up from an ending Lucid Dream. Being already conscious helped a lot

This method was successful for a semi lucid dream. I say semi, because once I felt my body I could not remove my awareness from it. I entered a dreamscape but still felt my body, lying on its side with my arms and knees curled up, and it actually affected my dream in strange ways. My dream body kept being twisted back into that position whenever I let it go, sort of like a spring snapping back into place after being stretched. Very strange. However, I view this is a problem with my own awareness, and not with the induction technique. Any tips as to how to remove awareness of my own body?

Also, thank you for the app suggestions. I've considered looking for a way to shut off my alarm without getting up.

Originally Posted by Ciej

This method was successful for a semi lucid dream. I say semi, because once I felt my body I could not remove my awareness from it. I entered a dreamscape but still felt my body, lying on its side with my arms and knees curled up, and it actually affected my dream in strange ways. My dream body kept being twisted back into that position whenever I let it go, sort of like a spring snapping back into place after being stretched. Very strange. However, I view this is a problem with my own awareness, and not with the induction technique. Any tips as to how to remove awareness of my own body?

Also, thank you for the app suggestions. I've considered looking for a way to shut off my alarm without getting up.

The best (and probably most frustrating ) tip I can give is just don't focus on the body. The less you think about it the better. Keeping your mind busy on imagining is the easiest way to stay distracted but try to go with the flow, if you are trying to imagine a scene to stop yourself from thinking about your body you will most likely fail. Just Deild with one intention, to enter the dream.

Originally Posted by Loooo

Somehow I didn't had a successful Lucid Dream since that night a week ago. I feel the harder I try the harder it gets. Even though I am getting a lot of sleep I wake up less during the night and always start moving before I even notice that I have woken up.
I am going to start all over and practice waking up without any movement. I am going to use the mantras.

How have the mantras worked the best for you? If you say them only a couple of times while really imagining the action of waking up competely still? Or by repeating the sentence over and over again until you fall asleep?

its not how or how many times you say the mantra, it is if you mean it, and when the time comes to it and it has been a few days and you are half asleep if you will follow up on it. e.g. you could si there and say 100 times i will study for an hour tomorow night, and then not do it. or you could say it or think it one time, but not just say or think it you are acctualy planing it, and then do it

I experienced a massive wave rush through my arms and legs last night when trying this technique, and i started to feel like i was rolling out of my physical body, it was really hard not to ignore, and concentrate on imagination, when i opend my eyes i was in my dark room in the dream, then i woke up. Was the wave sleep paralysis?

Originally Posted by JoshGoldie

I experienced a massive wave rush through my arms and legs last night when trying this technique, and i started to feel like i was rolling out of my physical body, it was really hard not to ignore, and concentrate on imagination, when i opend my eyes i was in my dark room in the dream, then i woke up. Was the wave sleep paralysis?

Yes it was, congratulations on your DEILD
Whatever you did, it worked so continue what you're doing
You will get better

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

The best (and probably most frustrating ) if you are trying to imagine a scene to stop yourself from thinking about your body you will most likely fail.

so what should i think about when concentrating on imagination? should i just let my mind wonder or will that most likely cause me to fall into a non lucid dream?
and thanks for reply to my previous comment so fast

Originally Posted by JoshGoldie

so what should i think about when concentrating on imagination? should i just let my mind wonder or will that most likely cause me to fall into a non lucid dream?
and thanks for reply to my previous comment so fast

Try to just immerse yourself in your imagination. Don't think about all the processes just let it go and think about the final destination
I guess you kinda just have to find out yourself and find the rythm that works for you, just try not to bother thinking about things like your body or opening your eyes and not being in a dream. Don't think about entering the dream or feeling paralysis just the place you want to be.

hi again duchraptor, i have been waking up after every dream in the night, but as soon as i figure out that i want to attempt dield (about 2 seconds after waking up) i have already moved, so i am considering using an alarm that turns itself off, so it can remind me and i can stay 100% still. Should i used more than one alarm throughout my sleep? like one set after 3 hours of sleep and one for 6 hours. or should i just have one? because i might identically screw up the first attempt, and i thought it might be good to have a back up

Originally Posted by JoshGoldie

hi again duchraptor, i have been waking up after every dream in the night, but as soon as i figure out that i want to attempt dield (about 2 seconds after waking up) i have already moved, so i am considering using an alarm that turns itself off, so it can remind me and i can stay 100% still. Should i used more than one alarm throughout my sleep? like one set after 3 hours of sleep and one for 6 hours. or should i just have one? because i might identically screw up the first attempt, and i thought it might be good to have a back up

Alarms often wake you up during other sleep cycles and not your REM cycle. If you can somehow pinpoint your REM to the minute then this is possable to be a reminder to keep still, but what i suggest is train yourself, which is actually very simple and you should have it down within a week of practice. I am actually working on DEILD right now and i am almost at my point and almost have it mastered (the keeping eyes closed and not moving) Before you go to bed just repeat a mantra such as I dont move when i wake up. Dont say "I will not move when i wake up" as that is often looked at as future-tense so it could happen ANY time in the future. Hope i helped hehe im still a noobie.