Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Originally Posted by BjStrife

YES ! YES ! YES ! This WORKS!

I did this 4 times this morning . Finally lucidity is working to a fine extent for me, thanks to this. I returned into the same dream four times. (It always lasted only for about a minute, but that's just me trying to control the enviroment too hard). Great!

I know this looks like a TV commercial . Anyway, does my dream count as 6 LDs or just 1 now?

this is awesome. Gives you a rush doesn't it. I've stopped counting them as individual dreams but you should 4 lds in one is pretty serious. One of the best methods on this site for sure.

I can't seem to get Deild down I am just way too tired after I wake up and just fall back asleep to get sleep

Tonight I will autosuggest to wake up after a dream and try this!

The problem is, I'm really scared of sleep paralysis...

Originally Posted by Ginsan

Tonight I will autosuggest to wake up after a dream and try this!

Cool man, let us know how it goes.

Originally Posted by Ghostpanda

The problem is, I'm really scared of sleep paralysis...

What if I told you...that sleep paralysis isn't scary. Firstly you actually never reach sleep paralysis doing a DEILD, you only feel the sensations of falling asleep but you can always move quite easily if you want. Secondly, sleep paralysis is what you make of it, if you go in with a good mood you will see happy and funny things, if you expect bad imagery they will show up. I usually tell myself that I will enjoy the experience and that it will be very interesting. Thirdly unlike WILD, DEILD only takes 30-60 seconds so there is barely any sensations you will be feeling, sometimes I don't even notice the transition into the dream.
Give it a try and give it all you got

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Cool man, let us know how it goes.

Well, I did. I'll tell you how it went
WARNING: this should actually be in a thread about WILD but since you asked me:

I used two autosuggestions, first I told myself I would get lucid and then that I would wake up after a dream. I did it by counting down from 100 to 1. I was already surprised I didn't lose consciousness getting below 50-60 of the first 100 (the first countdown was to get lucid because I found it more important than DEILDing). So I counted. The first 100 went by. I got distracted but got back on track a couple of times. So as I got to 30 or 40 of the second autosuggestion countdown to wake up from a dream, my body started falling asleep slowly. My body was partly sinking into my bed and most of my body parts were dislocated, in weird positions or not present, etc, just feeling weird. I thought screw this I don't want this I want to sleep! But then I thought, hey I can make this my first WILD. So I endured and I got the same feeling I always get after staying still for about 15 minutes, I start spinning around. As if my torse and head are dislocated gyroscopes (but somehow still connected) spinning wildly in every direction. It gets wilder and wilder, but not the kind of WILD I was looking for I started spinning like crazy as if I was in some wild rollercoaster.. I tried to imagine a dream scene but I couldn't visualise anything. My heart was racing wildly (normally my heart rate is slow during this), I guess I was getting too excited And the spinning didn't help me focus, relax or visualise. *as I'm typing I notice I could've visualised myself into a WILD rollercoaster* At the end I got scared (not very terrified but I was still a little scared) and knowing visualising wasn't working was pretty annoying so I couldn't overpower my fear with hope or enthousiasm. So I just moved my body, opened my eyes and fell asleep normally 15 minutes later. I feel like I was going to enter complete SP and into a dream in 20-30 seconds at max but I stopped. I didn't know what scared me and I still don't know but I don't feel like trying again.. Maybe it's the things I read about SP? Maybe


I also got two other things, I can't describe accurately them but I'll give it a try. The first one is that the blackness I look at when I close my eyes gets very large and gets a lot more depth (I'd say about the size of 3-4 basketball halls combined) and keeps growing. The second thing is an extremely faint, yet extremely loud shout, an angry one? (it sounds a little angry) Because it sounds like it comes from very deep inside my head or from very far and a bit echoey, it is barely audible and gets overpowered by a single breath, even a thought. But I still know it is loud, extremely, maybe I should say infinitely loud.. I can judge its loudness the same way you would judge an explosion (fireworks?)from a few blocks away. The sound that reaches you is soft but you know the sound from up close should be very loud. It is a very strange thing. The expierience itself is not very mysterious, scary, or anything at all, it's as normal as riding my bike to school. Only describing it is weird

Well that's it. A vast blackness, a mysterious shout, some wild spinning and a wildly annoying night but not the kind of wild I was looking for.


Tonight (in about an hour) I'm going to autosuggest again but this time when I'm a little more sleepy so I fall asleep while counting. I still don't know if I should tell myself to wake up after a dream or to get lucid but right now I am thinking of autosuggesting to get lucid.

Thank you so much, dutchraptor! I had a successful CANWILD with your help.

I used the Android app you suggested and set a single buzz alarm to go off an hour after my regular early morning spontaneous awakening. I got the buzz, knew what to do, and went into a 5-dream DEILD chain. Amazing! Mijn dag kan niet meer stuk (in case there's something to the "dutch" in your name )

Originally Posted by Sibyline

Thank you so much, dutchraptor! I had a successful CANWILD with your help.

I used the Android app you suggested and set a single buzz alarm to go off an hour after my regular early morning spontaneous awakening. I got the buzz, knew what to do, and went into a 5-dream DEILD chain. Amazing! Mijn dag kan niet meer stuk (in case there's something to the "dutch" in your name )

Geweldig (there is some dutch in me )

This is awesome, well done. I hope you can keep up the great deilds
Thank you for the kind words.

This idea may have been brought up already, but if you can fall back to sleep quickly like I can, the snooze feature on alarms is very useful. I set the duration for my alarm's snooze to 15 minutes and I set my phone alarm to go off after 4-5 hours of sleep. When the alarm goes off, I pick up my phone, hit the snooze button, and go back to sleep while trying to re-enter a dream. 15 minutes later the alarm goes off again, I hit snooze again, and I try to re-enter a dream again. 15 minutes later, same thing. Repeat as many times as desired.

By using the snooze method I essentially get a huge number of "retries" at achieving a lucid dream because every 15 minutes presents another chance. Again, this only works if you can fall back to sleep quickly after manually snoozing your alarm, but it's a great way to increase the frequency of lucid dreams.

Hey Dutchraptor. Do you have any advice on how i could transition into the dream besides visualizing?

This is where im stuck you see and i cant find the perfect balance without my heart distracting me.:*)

Have you tried any other anchors like focusing on breathing or counting?

Counting works quite well for me too, as does trying to think about spinning circles.

It might take a while before you find an anchor that works for you, don't give up if you don't find it straight away

Sorry if it came out the wrong way.
I am nowhere close to the transition and the closest right now is waking up without movement.

I have problems feeling anything like entering a dream after each awakening.
I can lay still for a minute or two before giving up my attempt.
My mantra before bed is for keeping still.

I beg pardon if i have now misconcepted your answer, also
sorry if i didnt tell the whole situation beforehand

Well the only way to transition into the dream is by forgetting about your body and just focusing on entering the dream. Next time you wake up try to think of nothing, just lay completely still and start counting to a hundred, I can assure you that you will start to at least feel heavy. Continue this until you feel ready to try enter the dream.

Good guide, i'll be trying this.

Cool im gonna gihe this a shot tonight and see how far it goes.

Wish me luck

CANWILD worked for me last night. I woke up spontaneously after 3 hours, set an app timer to ring after 30 min and then every 15 min.

Then I just fell asleep and in some occasions I woke up in the middle of the dream. I just lay still and then I get OBE sensations.

I had 2 OBE's, not counting DEILDs. Let's try again tonight

Originally Posted by CosmicMember44

Cool im gonna gihe this a shot tonight and see how far it goes.

Wish me luck

Good luck

Originally Posted by VagalTone

CANWILD worked for me last night. I woke up spontaneously after 3 hours, set an app timer to ring after 30 min and then every 15 min.

Then I just fell asleep and in some occasions I woke up in the middle of the dream. I just lay still and then I get OBE sensations.

I had 2 OBE's, not counting DEILDs. Let's try again tonight

Awesome, OBE's are good too. Hope you get a nice DEILD tonight

I've always been scared of the SP part but I want to try it and see how it is , amazing tutorial !

Thanks, no need to be scared of SP. Nothing you will feel with be bad as long as you expect it to be good.
Best thing to do is just try it

Hey all,

I'm under the impression that I need to wake up directly from a dream, but others responses have made me think I could just WBTB or wake up AFTER the dream and do DEILD

Please clarify, thanks.

Im not sure if is coincidence, (I don't usually have any 'placebo' affect from trying things) but the last few nights I've added the auto suggestion of waking up still, literally just saying four or five times before I sleep at night, and at least once per night I've woken up still and attempted this DEILD, even last night I tried adding a specific position, on my side as its more comfortable for me than on my back, and it actually happened. As I said I don't know if it's just coincidence but it seems fairly genuine
I have a problem though, i almost always need to swallow when I wake, especially if I'm on my back. This doesn't usually jerk me from any dreamlet that are playing for me(and they almost always do, last night it was a skinny sans running and slipping, only it was completely in reverse) it doesn't stop that from playing, but it does distract me and force me to think about my physical body.

Should I swallow? Ignore it and start counting or focusing in my breath, rather than the dreamlets? Should I try hop into the dreamlet? I don't quite know how to proceed from this state... As so far, though I haven't been lucid from any kind of WILD, this does seem to be my most constant method... Assuming I can make this final small leap

Originally Posted by EmptyBucket

Hey all,

I'm under the impression that I need to wake up directly from a dream, but others responses have made me think I could just WBTB or wake up AFTER the dream and do DEILD

Please clarify, thanks.

It's not necessary, you can wake up from other times but it makes it much harder to remember to go back into the dream. It's best to time your awakenings during a dream or right after for the simple reason that we want to easily slip back into a dream.

Originally Posted by LittleStar

Im not sure if is coincidence, (I don't usually have any 'placebo' affect from trying things) but the last few nights I've added the auto suggestion of waking up still, literally just saying four or five times before I sleep at night, and at least once per night I've woken up still and attempted this DEILD, even last night I tried adding a specific position, on my side as its more comfortable for me than on my back, and it actually happened. As I said I don't know if it's just coincidence but it seems fairly genuine
I have a problem though, i almost always need to swallow when I wake, especially if I'm on my back. This doesn't usually jerk me from any dreamlet that are playing for me(and they almost always do, last night it was a skinny sans running and slipping, only it was completely in reverse) it doesn't stop that from playing, but it does distract me and force me to think about my physical body.

Should I swallow? Ignore it and start counting or focusing in my breath, rather than the dreamlets? Should I try hop into the dreamlet? I don't quite know how to proceed from this state... As so far, though I haven't been lucid from any kind of WILD, this does seem to be my most constant method... Assuming I can make this final small leap

You've got one of the hardest steps down, waking up and staying still
I would say to just swallow and proceed, I still swallow every now and then but I just don't focus on it.
AS for proceeding, any of those might do it for you. Try visualization for a few nights and if that doesn't work try counting. The process for DEILD is very different from person to person, experiment and try to find what works best for yourself.

It still is not working out that well..
my dreams got longer some days ago and since then i have been waking up about five in the morning unusually. this made it a lot harder for me to get in check but ive got it worked out now.

so today i woke up two times perfectly still and didnt think about anything like my heartbeat racing a little bit, my mind was completely blank and i let my mind play out its own scenarios of flashing images in my minds eye.

but nothing happned at all both times and i kept it up until some part of my body felt numb and i lost my state.

So i started to wonder is it true that you have to wake up in rem and interupt your dream and not after?
Like i have to interupt my rem sleep before waking up because otherwise my rem sleep is over?

i find no other explonation for me failing...

but im gonna keep trying.

Hey dutch nice guide,i will deffently try tonight just two question can this be done after 6 hours of sleep and is counting good method to stay awake like 1-100? Cheers