Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I agree, learning without an alarm is much better, and seems to result in alot less failure.
Congratulations on becoming good at DEILD, how long have you been practising?

about four days now yesterday was the first day i woke up without moving and and eyes closed, i didnt follow through though for some reason i thought it was too late in the morning to attempt and my stepmom was making noise Tonight i think will be good though.

i wouldnt nescesarly say im good at DEILD, im getting better at parts of it though.

Hello there!

May i say i like the way you keep your methodology simple and at same time very complete Mr. Dutchraptor..

I just would like to point out that I'd have emphasized a bit more on the self confidence (psychologic POV) because, for me and for a lot other lucid dreamers,it's what triggers lucidity the most rapidly and efective way as possible during a dream.

Great tutorial!

Cheers

Thanks Caiocontieri, I actually fully agree with you, as I already said to you over chat I find this guide a slight bit flawed, but as you can imagine it is hard to get it right in one go. I would have added much more points about self-confidence and over-reliance on a guide but I wrote this on the earlier days of being a member. If you have any trouble with DEILD or have a question just ask

Hello!

I came across this yesterday and thought it'd be really nice to try it! I followed the guide and though I didn't become lucid, I managed to naturally wake up three times from auto suggestion! I couldn't help but move every single time though, so I'm going to have to work on that

Aha, this is awesome! I haven't had much success with WILD, so I decided to try a different technique. I did DEILD last night, managed to wake up after my dream thanks to your autosuggestion tips and then managed to get paralysed, etc. Unfortunately I then got really uncomfortable and moved, I need to persist next time... but great success for my first time! Definitely going to give this method a few months thanks for the guide!

well done berto, glad it worked out for you
You can move if you want, just remember that the paralysis is only a marker for getting to the dream, you shouldn't focus on it. Just focus on getting to the dream you want and hopefully it will happen.

Hey, I have a few questions about this technique.

Last night when I tried this I did all I could to keep myself from swallowing, but eventually I did pretty much automatically. I didn't give in consciously, it just happened. Will this keep me from succeeding?

Second if you don't enter SP after 10+ minutes is this attempt failed?

Finally, to whomever said "just roll out of bed," is there ever an occasion where you physically roll out of your bed? Haha I can easily see myself confusing reality for a dream and hit the floor for real.

Noooooo i was soo close... on my 1st try with this... i woke up wit my eyes closed for the first time that i remember.. and i did not move... but i forgot wat i was doing then i moved like 5 seconds after..

Awesome guide dutchraptor, I'll start trying this for some weeks or months, but I have a question: How often can you lucid dream ? O_o?

Originally Posted by Rev

Hey, I have a few questions about this technique.

Last night when I tried this I did all I could to keep myself from swallowing, but eventually I did pretty much automatically. I didn't give in consciously, it just happened. Will this keep me from succeeding?

Second if you don't enter SP after 10+ minutes is this attempt failed?

Finally, to whomever said "just roll out of bed," is there ever an occasion where you physically roll out of your bed? Haha I can easily see myself confusing reality for a dream and hit the floor for real.

Swallowing doesn't matter, just do it and try to be comfortable. Try not to move but if there is something which will stop you succeeding then scratch or swallow etc.

The attempt isn't failed after 10+mins, if it doesn't work in the first 2 minutes you can continue to try WILD

When you roll out of bed you will know if it is a dream or real life, you can't go as far as ever fully rolling out of bed

Originally Posted by dreamer7

Noooooo i was soo close... on my 1st try with this... i woke up wit my eyes closed for the first time that i remember.. and i did not move... but i forgot wat i was doing then i moved like 5 seconds after..

That is great better luck next time

Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

Awesome guide dutchraptor, I'll start trying this for some weeks or months, but I have a question: How often can you lucid dream ? O_o?

Thanks man, I can lucid 1-5 times a week on normal weeks and when I'm motivated up to double digits if you include all the times I chain lucids with DEILD

2) You may start to think or keep your mind blank (It varies from person to person) whatever you do, do not focus on your body or the paralysis. I like to try remember the last few minutes of my dream.

Oh thanks, I never saw that anywhere else, I'm attempting clock DEILD and I always not move, and I didn't understand why it didn't work, I thought it was the clock too loud or too long, or even the fact that I'm sleeping with my arms under the pillow, but now, I guess this is it, I'm focusing way too much on my body because I thought it was what I had to do.
But I can think about whatever I want really? I always thought that thinking made you unable to fall asleep actually. Like if I want I can think about what'll I do to eat for breakfast or something and it'll work?

Thanks again


EDIT :

This sometimes happens to me. I think it is what position you wake up in. For example if you slept on you arm when u wake up it may hurt and thus mess up the deild. I think you just got to be comfortable when you wake up.

Oh well it looks like it can be this too, I REALLY need to learn to sleep on my back, my usual position is really bad.
Also there's a Freeware called Easy MP3 Alarm clock for those with computers, it lets you play an mp3(download a sample on the net) only once as long as your audio player doesn't have the repeat fonctoin activated.

Been trying to LD using the wild technique with limited success for months but after reading your tutorial within 3 days I have made massive improvements.

I can nw wake up after a dream (still use an alarm as a safety net) and most of the time remain still.
And every time I use your technique I move that bit closer to success.

Just one question, when people say roll out of your body but don't imagine doing it actually do it, won't u actually move and ruin the deild attempt?

Originally Posted by stevetrindall

Been trying to LD using the wild technique with limited success for months but after reading your tutorial within 3 days I have made massive improvements.

I can nw wake up after a dream (still use an alarm as a safety net) and most of the time remain still.
And every time I use your technique I move that bit closer to success.

Just one question, when people say roll out of your body but don't imagine doing it actually do it, won't u actually move and ruin the deild attempt?

Well done, often when people say they roll out of bed its because they have already entered the dream but they just didn't noticed. If it is real life you will realize before falling out of bed, it's kind of a gray area because sometimes you will wake up but you might aswell try.

I've been trying SSILD for the last few weeks and as a side effect I find I often wake up naturally about 20-80 minutes after an attempt, and I know I am awake just from my manner of thinking even before I move or open my eyes. However I do not know right away if I woke from a dream or not, and even after thinking after having moved I do not always know if I woke directly out of the dream. Sometimes I must be however.

Do you think these would be good times to try DEILD?

Originally Posted by Matt1

I've been trying SSILD for the last few weeks and as a side effect I find I often wake up naturally about 20-80 minutes after an attempt, and I know I am awake just from my manner of thinking even before I move or open my eyes. However I do not know right away if I woke from a dream or not, and even after thinking after having moved I do not always know if I woke directly out of the dream. Sometimes I must be however.

Do you think these would be good times to try DEILD?

Yes most certainly, the best time to DEILD is these times, and you could learn the ability to chain dreams which could help out whit your ssild too.

Great! I always sleep with a fan on for white noise, will this be a problem or make it more difficult in any way?

Hello again, I seem to be having trouble getting into a DEILD after about 6 hours of sleep. My problem is that, on weekends, I usually get up at about 11am, and 6:50am on school days. On weekends, I wake up at about 8 or 9AM and quite a lot of the time end up falling asleep aware; I got the same feeling I would get if I were doing a DEILD after 6 hours of sleep, but wake up as soon as I enter the dream. So in fact I have two problems:

Only being able to LD on weekends/other times where I don't have to get up early;

and losing my dream extremely quickly because I'm almost too aware of falling asleep.


What can I do to treat these?

Originally Posted by Matt1

Great! I always sleep with a fan on for white noise, will this be a problem or make it more difficult in any way?

I don't think so, if it helps you sleep it should help you get into a dream, but I think you'll have to confirm that for yourself.

Originally Posted by MarcusQ

Hello again, I seem to be having trouble getting into a DEILD after about 6 hours of sleep. My problem is that, on weekends, I usually get up at about 11am, and 6:50am on school days. On weekends, I wake up at about 8 or 9AM and quite a lot of the time end up falling asleep aware; I got the same feeling I would get if I were doing a DEILD after 6 hours of sleep, but wake up as soon as I enter the dream. So in fact I have two problems:

Only being able to LD on weekends/other times where I don't have to get up early;

and losing my dream extremely quickly because I'm almost too aware of falling asleep.


What can I do to treat these?

I guess you would have to change your schedule or start waking up at different times. As for losing your dreams it takes practice to get good at finding the balance of awareness, you just have to persist and try to stay distracted.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I don't think so, if it helps you sleep it should help you get into a dream, but I think you'll have to confirm that for yourself.



I guess you would have to change your schedule or start waking up at different times. As for losing your dreams it takes practice to get good at finding the balance of awareness, you just have to persist and try to stay distracted.

Really great technique bro, i'm definitely gonna try this now. I'm using the program with subliminal messages and i'm using auto-suggetion before i sleep. gonna come back and tell if i failed or not.

Results:
Wake up without moving, but swallowing ruined it. other than that, i think i will use an alarm

this guide seems really good and easy to follow and looks very successful, so im going to so this for a month or so, and see how many ld's i can get, thanks dutch

Originally Posted by TheAssassin56

Really great technique bro, i'm definitely gonna try this now. I'm using the program with subliminal messages and i'm using auto-suggetion before i sleep. gonna come back and tell if i failed or not.

Results:
Wake up without moving, but swallowing ruined it. other than that, i think i will use an alarm

I know my guide says not to move at all but things like swallowing are allowed as long as you move on from them as fast as possible. I used to just lie there until it came but a much more effective method is just becoming comfortable (swallowing, twitching...still not moving though) and immersing yourself in your visualization. Anyways never take a guide to serious, look for things you wanna try different and go for them . Also always go on with your attempt, never label it ruined, sometimes if I fail my deild I can get a quick (3 min) WILD out of it, and it helps with practice.

Originally Posted by azoller1

this guide seems really good and easy to follow and looks very successful, so im going to so this for a month or so, and see how many ld's i can get, thanks dutch

Sweet, hope you get some results, also read the above comment. Moving when waking up is alright as long as you don't pay attention to it a certain extent (the worst that can go wrong is a failed attempt or a WILD).

I found this very helpful, thanks dutch. Going to put this into practice on the rare nights I can actually wake up with my eyes closed/motionless.

I'll post any success!

Have a good one!

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I know my guide says not to move at all but things like swallowing are allowed as long as you move on from them as fast as possible. I used to just lie there until it came but a much more effective method is just becoming comfortable (swallowing, twitching...still not moving though) and immersing yourself in your visualization. Anyways never take a guide to serious, look for things you wanna try different and go for them . Also always go on with your attempt, never label it ruined, sometimes if I fail my deild I can get a quick (3 min) WILD out of it, and it helps with practice.



Sweet, hope you get some results, also read the above comment. Moving when waking up is alright as long as you don't pay attention to it a certain extent (the worst that can go wrong is a failed attempt or a WILD).

So i can swallow but not focus on it?
Anyway, i will try again with auto-suggetion to wake up after my dreams