Thread: The Phase Blew Me Away

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

It takes practice. It is not automatic by any means and I not able to do it every time. I imagine with practice you could do it quite consistently. As I mentioned previously, I was able to do it 3 times in one morning although it is not natural for me either to remain still when waking up. But, when I am mindful of it, I am able to accomplish it somewhat easily If you check out the book on his website, part of the technique is using autosuggestion (or prospective memory depending on how you interpret it) before going to bed for the night to help you with the staying still part.

Something like "Each time I awake from a dream I will remember to stay perfectly still.". I don't remember the exact wording but something along those lines that is repeated as you fall asleep. You might be able to use self-hypnosis if you are familiar with it. Other than that simply having the intent will help -- because if your mind is focused on the intention you will start to remember to do it each time you wake up. You might also experiment with a beep that goes off at a certain time in the night after several hours. There are various iphone apps for doing this where you don't have to set an actual alarm that has to be shut off. I don't really recommend this as it will affect your sleep and sometimes the beep can be too jarring which will make it harder to do the technique.

If you wake up and open your eyes I wouldn't bother trying the technique. Instead go back to sleep and try again. The book goes into detail about this. Typically, the first second you wake up you should try separation (i.e. into your dream bedroom) if you haven't moved at all. If you have moved but not opened your eyes or immediate separation didn't work, you can still try cycling through the techniques. Of course it's easier if you don't move at all. The less awake the better.

While this is similar to a WILD, I would say it's more like a DEILD. To say can it performed like a WILD is really the wrong line of thinking. The whole point of the technique is to skip the difficult relaxation and anchoring process you would have to perform with a WILD. A standard WILD technique is much more difficult and it's more difficult because you have to go through a relaxation process without falling asleep. It's possible to wake up a few seconds with your eyes open and then proceed to do the technique, but it's harder. The book refers to this as the direct technique and can be performed as a standard WBTB as well. I wouldn't focus on doing it more WILD style, but rather focus on not moving when you wake up. Yes, this takes practice, but probably less practice than doing a straight WILD style approach. This is basically what he recommends in his book as well... to focus on the indirect approach (which is to not move when waking up) before moving to incorporate a direct approach (WBTB style).

I like a multi-approach style:
1) Reality checks throughout day
2) MILD style suggestions going to bed and when awakening at night.
3) Random WILD attempts as a WBTB, especially if I get up to to the bathroom.
4) Phase techniques when i wake up in the late morning as described in this thread.

I would recommend just starting with the phase techniques and possible reality checks. Save the WILD practice for later.

So basically i should use auto suggestion to stay still after awakening from a dream. Then directly after waking up i do the separation techniques..

This all sounds very easy right now, but is it actually possible for anyone to awake from a dream, without moving and be aware of it? Because i will try this out.

Edit: I have read the instructions and will attempt this for the next days. I will report back when i can.

Originally Posted by TDHXIII

So basically i should use auto suggestion to stay still after awakening from a dream. Then directly after waking up i do the separation techniques..

This all sounds very easy right now, but is it actually possible for anyone to awake from a dream, without moving and be aware of it? Because i will try this out.

Edit: I have read the instructions and will attempt this for the next days. I will report back when i can.

The closer to lucidity you are in the dream as you awake, the more likely you'll awaken without extreme disorientation where it is very easy to start moving without thinking about it. If I'm really totally non-lucid upon waking then I find waking very disorienting and I usually move before I realize what's going on. But I do not focus on noticing wakings. It is one of my goals though, as I think DEILD/Phase like technique in the late morning is a really fabulous way to get lots of LDs.

But for DEILD, moving a little is not a guaranteed loss of the DEILD opportunity. It's not ideal, but it's not fatal. Much more important is keeping that dreamy/drowsy mindset and just drifting right back off to sleep.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

The closer to lucidity you are in the dream as you awake, the more likely you'll awaken without extreme disorientation where it is very easy to start moving without thinking about it. If I'm really totally non-lucid upon waking then I find waking very disorienting and I usually move before I realize what's going on. But I do not focus on noticing wakings. It is one of my goals though, as I think DEILD/Phase like technique in the late morning is a really fabulous way to get lots of LDs.

But for DEILD, moving a little is not a guaranteed loss of the DEILD opportunity. It's not ideal, but it's not fatal. Much more important is keeping that dreamy/drowsy mindset and just drifting right back off to sleep.

I'm not close to lucidity normally, but i don't move a lot when i wake up. I have to see for myself. If this technique just doesnt work out well for me, then i'll go back to FILDing which i almost had success with today.

@TDHXIII Good luck. I look forward to hearing your results. To answer your rhetorical question about whether anyone can do it... Raduga's seminars show an 80% success rate within two nights. I talk about this a bit more in previous posts. It took me five nights to have real success with it, but I wasn't as uber focused as people would be at a seminar. I would imagine about 99% of the population could do this. Perhaps those with rare health or sleep disorders may fill that 1% but I can't imagine anyone that wouldn't be able to achieve this at some point with practice. He recommends only practicing this on weekends when you can sleep in. I would definitely recommend reading his free book for all the caveats. You can skip the 100 testimonials and just read the indirect techniques section. I am assuming you have at least watched the video or read the book to learn the cycling techniques.

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

@TDHXIII Good luck. I look forward to hearing your results. To answer your rhetorical question about whether anyone can do it... Raduga's seminars show an 80% success rate within two nights. I talk about this a bit more in previous posts. It took me five nights to have real success with it, but I wasn't as uber focused as people would be at a seminar. I would imagine about 99% of the population could do this. Perhaps those with rare health or sleep disorders may fill that 1% but I can't imagine anyone that wouldn't be able to achieve this at some point with practice. He recommends only practicing this on weekends when you can sleep in. I would definitely recommend reading his free book for all the caveats. You can skip the 100 testimonials and just read the indirect techniques section. I am assuming you have at least watched the video or read the book to learn the cycling techniques.

i Read the indirect techniques part, and it makes sense as to why it works.
I'm going to try this through the whole week including the weekend. I will report back. Here I go...