Originally Posted by TiredPhil
TimB
Didn't I just say all that, but with much less typing/reading involved.
I may have misinterpreted your post, then.
If you were saying 'it works' (in the sentence 'if you give them a placebo and say it works, it will work', in the sense of 'it doesn't actually work, it just makes people feel like it's doing anything', then sure, you say the same thing as I did, I said the same thing as you did.
But I didn't feel like you were saying that.
And so, I wanted to make perfectly, absolutely clear that placebos don't actually 'work' in any measurable, objective way; and the only thing they do is make people feel better, without actually actively changing anything with regards to their ailment.
Best!
TimB
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PS!
I will have to interject here. About the Emotional Freedom Techniques.
Apart from the subjective placebo effect, you will have to keep in mind that the majority of EFT out there has a bit of actual, proven, active psychological healthcare involved: namely Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. And so, then the question becomes: is the energy-stuff merely fluff on top of the actual active CBT, or does it have any kind of additional benefits?
Notice, then, that the energy-stuff is basically shiatsu or acupressure/acupuncture layered on top of the CBT. As such, one will only have to look at whether shiatsu/acupressure/acupuncture has any specific, predictable, measurable, objective, active effect on people in any way (vs subjective), and you will have your answer. If one is in any way intimate with the literature one would have to conclude that, no, there is no measurable objective effect other than a decrease in subjective pain (the afore-mentioned placebo). (FWIW, here's one educated doctor, a neurologist no less, with critical thinking skills, describing the kind of trials they've done, better than I could ever explain: Steven Novella - Acupuncture - YouTube)
What, then, does this imply for the rest surrounding the energy-stuff? i.e.: is the 'mature' energy-stuff hinging on the actual CBT to have credibility? Does it rely or take advantage on the proven science of CBT so that people will take the rest of the 'mature' energy-stuff in, hook, line and sinker? And isn't that deceptive?
Best!
Tim
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