Thread: Daredevilpwn's WorkBook

That is always a tricky experience. A lot of it for me is in how the dream is recalled as well. Sometimes the remembered experience is different than the actual experience.
In life, ive seen a lot of people with the knowledge of truth or awareness, however they did not use that knowledge to live by. Instead, they would speak it, claiming it for themselves to benefit somehow, but in the end it ends up being counter productive.
Cool dream

So I found this post about a new way to write down your dreams. I like this much easier. That way I can easilly write down all my dreams but I can choose to write a complete entry on the interesting ones. Also I stepping up my awareness even more. I am trying to do constant sensory awareness meditation. Though I can only focus on the sense that is most prevalent at a time. So as I am typing this I am paying attention to the feel of the keys. It is kinda hard at times cause I may forget but it will be worth it in the end. I also realized that lucid dreaming shouldn't be sought actively but passively (thanks to MasterMind's dj).
So I am being aware for awareness sake and meditation for the sake of meditation. If I focus on these then everything else shall fall into place.

So I had this interesting dream where I used a dream machine to have dreams..and another dream where I had a big car chase. It was very interesting.

Its a good read.

I had the most vivid dream ever! After doing all day sensory awareness for a few days this is what I get! I will be honest though. Today for some reason I feel mentally exhausted today but on the past few days I was fine. so I guess paying attention to ones senses all day gets tiring, especially if our habit is to remain on autopilot. Like all skills one shouldn't over due it with practice. So I will take a day off it need be.

Heres the dream

I know how you feel. Awareness practice is truly mentally exhausting. But yea, you definitely need to give it some rest if it gets too much.

Dog School! of course.......

Wow it's been awhile since I updated. Don't worry I am still alive. I am currently preparing for exams and such for school. Tomorrow I will start updating this again and tomorrow is my last exam for this semester. Then I can focus on this workbook again and dreaming.

Good to hear from you, DDP! And belated happy birthday (again)

Thanks! And just posted my dream. My dreams seem be becoming more interesting imo. Check my dj.

Oh wow that dream was pretty cool! I know some people in real life who do those with the swings x)

My recall is still good. I can recall dreams at early hours in the morning before school and with sleeping in I become somewhat lucid. This awareness thing is working but is slow. And I admit laziness does set in which just makes this process longer lol but I'll never give up. To help me stay aware longer I am thinking of combining sporadic awareness with mindfulness. This will help me maintain awareness or boost it up when it gets to close to the "auto pilot" level. To keep myself motivated and track down improvement, I will do this for 3 weeks and post results. I know my mindfulness is working. If not, then I wouldn't be able to recall dreams when I have to get up early for school.

Will post a dj entry soon tomorrow

I've been neglecting DEILD for awhile. Always putting it off until I get better recall. Well My recall is pretty decent now so now I just need to focus on this technique again. I remember the first time I had a DEILD it was an awesome experience! I want to experience it again. Each night I'll attempt a DEILD and post my results. If I fail to stay still then I'll try a WILD instead. Hopefully I'll motivate others as I do this. Wish me luck! Forget what I said in the previous post. I have confidence in my technique, and while DILD is an ok technique I want to learn to have a more involved technique and that is what DEILD is. I will make an attempt each night and post results, not only will this motivate me to do something but hopefully it will motivate others! Wish me luck

I'm focusing more on DEILD and WILD lately. I've noticed that for me it is much harder DEILD from a non-lucid that from a lucid. I want to be able to DEILD more from non LD's. For me DEILD comes pretty naturally but it seems like conditions have to be just right. There is a lot that I don't understand about the exact process but I am working on it. We should compare notes, successes and failures.

The only draw back is that when I wake up from a non-lucid and try DEILD then fail; I almost always sacrifice the recall. I'm still looking to remedy this. I'll let you know if I figure anything out.

Also, don't assume you failed DEILD if you move a little. That's not always the case. Sometimes I move a little before I realize I am awake and still pull of a DEILD.

Ok, cool! And yeah I've noticed that too. DEILDING is easier when done from a lucid dream, but for me I can pull it off if I had a vivid but not lucid dream. I've tried to DEILD today, had a nice nap. I woke up and remembered...nothing of a dream and the phone rang so that messed me up too. I guess my recall isn't as good as I thought. I probably needed a couple more hours of sleep. I slept for 4 hours so that should've been enough but considering I usually remember one dream a night on a weekday, usually at 5am then perhaps I need more recall training. As long as I make a habit of being aware of what I am doing then it will improve. I am thinking of hastening the process by using an alarm to wake me up every few hours and try to recall a dream.
I am also practicing my visualization skills since that will help up immensely with WILDING. Btw thanks for the friend request.

You said a lot there so let me try to break it down...

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Ok, cool! And yeah I've noticed that too. DEILDING is easier when done from a lucid dream, but for me I can pull it off if I had a vivid but not lucid dream.

That may be true OR maybe it is more memorable because your awareness was strong enough to DEILD. Something to think about.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

I've tried to DEILD today, had a nice nap. I woke up and remembered...nothing of a dream and the phone rang so that messed me up too. I guess my recall isn't as good as I thought. I probably needed a couple more hours of sleep. I slept for 4 hours so that should've been enough ...

When I get to nap (it's rare these days) I usually nap about 3 hours. I rarely recall any dreams and only had gone lucid twice that I can think of. For whatever reason napping is just not that effective for me. Maybe you are the same way. I don't know.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

but considering I usually remember one dream a night on a weekday, usually at 5am then perhaps I need more recall training.

Oh I don't know. My recall fluctuates but I don't really worry too much as long as it doesn't reach zero. 1 per night has been average for me lately. Of course I would like better. Have you tried keeping a day journal? I find it tedious but it does seem to help improve recall.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

As long as I make a habit of being aware of what I am doing then it will improve. I am thinking of hastening the process by using an alarm to wake me up every few hours and try to recall a dream.

Awareness is the key! Tibetan Dream Yogas wake every 2 hours and then get in various positions and visualize. I can barely make my self do one WBTB but I am gearing myself up to start this practice soon. I am not quite ready yet though.

Also, one thing I notice (the yogas back me up on this) is I find my awareness seems stronger when I sleep in a more upright position. I have had MANY lucid experiences in my recliner after a WBTB! THe only issue I have with that is sometimes it not comfortable enough to get back to sleep on. HMMM I wonder if that's a good enough excuse to persuade my wife to let me get a new one.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

I am also practicing my visualization skills since that will help up immensely with WILDING. Btw thanks for the friend request.

Your welcome.

Yes this is an area I think I need improvement on too. Sivason's Dream Yoga classes may help you there but I hardly have to time to do them myself. It's odd but a high percentage of my DEILD/WILDs have been blind or partially blind in the beginning. I am just now learning that if I take more time to allow the dream to form then it gets better. When I get SP I tend to rush things along and quickly slip out of my "body" before I have to time to form a schema.

This may be just me, but I have noticed two types of WILDs. One is where I am able to form a complete dream scene from gently interacting with HI/HH. It will gradually and slowly become more and more "real" until eventually I am totally immersed in it. One thing that CanisLucidus and I have worked out during a WILD/DEILD attempt (or anytime you find yourself in total darkness) is to visualize a simple but repetitive action, i.e. rubbing your hands together, imagine your legs peddling a bike, running, or even swinging a sword! CanisLucidus sometimes chews on his fingers but we won't judge him too harshly. The sword thing BTW is an attempt to complete a TOTY where we are to have a gladiator fight in The Colosseum. I have reached The Colosseum twice but woke before the battle.

The other type (and most common) I have is were my awareness gets so dim that I am on the verge of blacking out completely but I hold on till that last bit and then BAM! I get into SP and feel the weird vibrations. Usually it's a cake walk from there.

Those are just some of my thoughts and experiences... Hope it helps.

I am training myself to be still as I wake up. I am doing this by using an alarm on my phone. Unfortunately the lowest I can set it to is atleast 10 secs of ringing before it stops so I cannot use it to DEILD but I can use it to train myself to wake up and be still.

The training paid off. Today I woke up without moving several times. The farthest I've made it was the vibrational stage. Then when I try to enter the dreamstate by rolling out I felt the similar resistance like I usually do so I thought I did it but then I quickly shifted back to waking life and moved my physical body by accident cause the shift was so quick.

I also made it to the vibe stage similar to a WILD. When I moved and went back to sleep, I just daydreamed and then these images became incredibly vivid for a second and then I felt the vibrations. So I initiated a WILD on accident by just letting my mind wander. When I WILD I keep thinking I am WILDING but in this case I wasn't thinking about WILD, just sleep. Maybe I can use this to WILD, just let my mind wander after a couple of hours of sleep and pay attention to that.

That's really close. Nice job. Remember how you got there for future reference. That maybe a good formula for you. Maybe next time try to linger in the vibrational stage a little longer and the transition will get easier.

One thing I am starting to notice is that is actually possible, if not preferred, to stay still and try to visualize a scene or even watch for a random one like when you are getting HI. It seems like your were sort of doing that already but didn't quite have the focus. I worry thought that spending too much time on it will cause an FA and/or drift into some random NLD. I am still working on this myself.

If you just want the more OBE style exit or if the visualization isn't working. One trick I use when I have a difficult time "moving" is to just imagine your feet floating up and over the side of the bed. It may feel like your legs are stretching in impossible ways but don't think about. Just focus on setting and feeling your feet touching the floor. Once you make contact you will find yourself automatically standing.

Also, I think that if you are in vibrational stages you are pretty much in the dream. The rest is just transitioning. Try not to rush it. So congrats on the WILD!

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

The training paid off. Today I woke up without moving several times. The farthest I've made it was the vibrational stage. Then when I try to enter the dreamstate by rolling out I felt the similar resistance like I usually do so I thought I did it but then I quickly shifted back to waking life and moved my physical body by accident cause the shift was so quick.

I also made it to the vibe stage similar to a WILD. When I moved and went back to sleep, I just daydreamed and then these images became incredibly vivid for a second and then I felt the vibrations. So I initiated a WILD on accident by just letting my mind wander. When I WILD I keep thinking I am WILDING but in this case I wasn't thinking about WILD, just sleep. Maybe I can use this to WILD, just let my mind wander after a couple of hours of sleep and pay attention to that.

I'm so glad you haven't given up DEILDing, I read all your posts on the dutchraptor's guide, I thought you had given up. Keep trying and I hope one day you master this technique.

I'll try the DEILD technique again for some weeks or maybe months (I've tried it just couple of times)

Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

I'm so glad you haven't given up DEILDing, I read all your posts on the dutchraptor's guide, I thought you had given up. Keep trying and I hope one day you master this technique.

I'll try the DEILD technique again for some weeks or maybe months (I've tried it just couple of times)

Thanks! I wish you luck. I gave DEILDING a break cause I got frustrated but now I am going to try again and just take my experience for what it is and try no to get mad at myself for failing. Anyway speaking of DEILDING, I managed to pull it off yesterday but something weird happened. Everytime I rolled out and opened my eyes I kept teleporting into my bed as if I never got up! This happened about 3 times before I actually woke up for real. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

I decided to post my attempts on every weekend be it on saturday or sunday. It would be pretty hard to pull it off on a school night since I dont have much time however if I do somehow pull it off on a school night I'll be sure to update this. For the most part I will just be training myself to wake up still on weekdays and try to DEILD on the weekends.

Sounds like a good plan. Let us know how it goes.

Alright. I had a 3 day weekend which is why i didn't post till now. Anyway I had a semi success on sunday. I specifically remember myself rolling out then seeing my normal reflection in the mirror. I had this powerful urge to pee in the dream which I did. When I relieved myself i lost lucidity and the dream took an entirely different direction. Atleast I was actually able to move past my (dream) bed this time instead of teleporting back.

Had no success this weekend. I woke up still on saturday but nothing happened and today I forgot to stay still. Oh well, maybe next weekend I can pull it off.