Thread: Sitting in SP forever?

Originally Posted by jamesplague

I find it relatively easy to reach sleep paralysis, usually getting the full heavy feeling in about 5-10 minutes.

The problem is that I can stay completely still for almost 30 minutes after reaching SP, I get a very small amount of HI, and I just get bored (frustrated), and get up and do something else, like go on the computer.

Could this be a sign of not having enough physical activity during the day? What other reasons would this happen?

It seems to be one of my only boundaries keeping me from getting another LD.

That sounds similar to me, but I kind of 'blank out' then suddenly realise I have been lying still for ages, and have no sense of how long has passed. However, because I can still move and nothing happens, I don't consider it SP. is it still be SP if you can move?

i have this exact problem, just tried today and once again this is what happens

there needs to be a tutorial on how to get past this

Originally Posted by jamesplague

I find it relatively easy to reach sleep paralysis, usually getting the full heavy feeling in about 5-10 minutes.

The problem is that I can stay completely still for almost 30 minutes after reaching SP, I get a very small amount of HI, and I just get bored (frustrated), and get up and do something else, like go on the computer.

Could this be a sign of not having enough physical activity during the day? What other reasons would this happen?

It seems to be one of my only boundaries keeping me from getting another LD.

Sleep paralysis is a state, when you dont feel your body completely. Maybe you are just in a deep relaxation state and there is something what stops you from entering full paralysis state.

Even if you were in sleep paralysis, there is one next thing you have to achieve and that is trance state. State of collapsing into yourself.

When I am too awake to fall asleep. I do something mentally tiring to get my mind into state of partial trance. Something like visualization exercises.

Ive become quite efficient at getting to sleep paralysis. Usually takes about 20 minutes of just lying still and focusing on one thing. Im usually very tired when I go to bed. When SP hits, it feels like my body starts waving back and forth and the speed increases. My focusing goes out the window as my mind feels like it is doing the same thing. Starts to feel like my mind is dead, dull. I lose focus, roll over, go to bed. Great entertainment.

Wait. So if you can still move, then its not sleep paralysis?? :S

Originally Posted by adraw

Sleep paralysis is a state, when you dont feel your body completely. Maybe you are just in a deep relaxation state and there is something what stops you from entering full paralysis state.

Even if you were in sleep paralysis, there is one next thing you have to achieve and that is trance state. State of collapsing into yourself.

When I am too awake to fall asleep. I do something mentally tiring to get my mind into state of partial trance. Something like visualization exercises.

What do these visualization exercises entail exactly? I'm having this problem myself and can't seem to pass the threshold into that trance state.

Start from simple things and work your way up I'd say, ex. start imagining a square, then add a design into the square, then make it 3 demensional, then give it a background, then make it rotating, then duplicate it a few times, then make them all shatter, then re-assemble themselves. If you can do this, (while in HI) LOL ur good

Yea it takes ages sometimes. Theres a trick to it. You have to start thinking irrationally like you do in dreams and focus on all the bizarre illogical thoughts that come to your mind and when you start thinking irrationally enough the dream pops up.

I always freak out when I enter SP because I always see and hear freaky things after that

I only get alot of HI when I'm really tired (like 4am or so.) If the HI is weak I cant get into any dream.

Also don't try to WILD. Just try to fall asleep like normal but leave a tiny little part off your brain awake.

How do you make yourself keep a little part of your brain awake?

Practice every single night, theres no exact way to start doing it right immediately. Even with all the tutorials here you still gotta practice, practice, practice to make them worthwhile.

I try and separate the 2 parts of my mind. The 2 parts being the creative side which sparks dreams like a match lights a fire, and the conscious side.

Originally Posted by Kaylor

How do you make yourself keep a little part of your brain awake?

oh..I also practice a little during the day.
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I think this has helped a little, but I'm still working on it too.

Ive tried a couple of WILD attempts now , i find it hard to judge exactly how far ive gotten tbh.

I get to a stage where my body feels pretty heavy and fairly numb.
I have to make a mental effort to move because tho i can , my body doesn't feel like it wants me to... i dont know if you would classify that as SP

I lie watching the HI , but never really get beyond some fairly interesting lightshows .. I dont recall hearing any wierd noises or anything.
However on several occasions i have felt a very peculiar sensation , almost like being extremely dizzy , i feel my self spinning madly - tho i don't feel any of the sickness you might get with usual dizziness.

So far this is as much as ive achieved .. Does any of this stuff sound like im making headway?

Actually, here is my technique I am going to start using (just tested last night), seems (to me) to only take about 5 minutes.

Alright:
You wake up from a dream using the water trick (dont drink water before you sleep, and you wake up ready to drink some)
Don't move at all, not even to get water, just think about being lucid.
When you are firm on the belief that you will be lucid, close your eyes and start breath counting.
You will see lights, and then images.
You are injected into the dream. Have fun.

My first one last night was like this:
I wake up
I think about a LD
I decide to try (what I thought was called a MILD technique, a spin on WILD) it.
I see the lights
I then remember seeing a cobblestone path through an old colonial city.
I enter SP, I cannot move
I feel my pulse pounding (although looking back, it is the same)
I feel a sinking/falling sensation
I am injected into the dream, on a path in vietnam. Don't ask me why, I have never been there. I have played a game called KumaWar with a map that has that.

I woke up a few hours that morning and thought to myself with great excitement, "That was the most freaking awesome thing I have ever done in my life!", and decided to try the whole ride through a WILD, since this skips over much of it and you jump into SP, but got the same block as you, except in the lights phase, no images or physical sensations.

Originally Posted by Ceonsamea

That sounds similar to me, but I kind of 'blank out' then suddenly realise I have been lying still for ages, and have no sense of how long has passed. However, because I can still move and nothing happens, I don't consider it SP. is it still be SP if you can move?

No, if you can move you are still in "Sleep Onset" or "Hynagogic Stage"; Sleep Paralysis is when you want to move but you can't due to the motor neurons in your nervers becoming inactive.