Thread: Does being lucid stop you from resting.

I started a thread in Beyond Dreaming about this so that we can be more on topic: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=87772

Thanks...

But did you guys say that pregnent women experience some death kind of thing for 15 minutes on their 47 day?

First Question: No. Lack of sleep stops you from resting. NEXT

Originally Posted by Portalboat

Well, from what I know, the mind doesn't need rest. Although, of course, if you decide to live out a second life, THEN you might go insane.

But my answer is: That's why we don't have lucids every night.

Originally Posted by Lucidness

I dont think so, because your sub concious mind is always doing something all the time. Whether your dreaming or not. But as someone has said, trying to live a second life in your dreams all the time, might make you go a bit insane.

I have lucids every night. I live out a second life in dreams. I am going crazy, wanna come?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I have lucids every night. I live out a second life in dreams. I am going crazy, wanna come?

Incidentally, I've done the same for years. Not insane yet, and I get plenty of rest (although I like having extra sleep so I sleep in whenever possible.

Well dreaming is just your imagination going a million miles an hour...

During the day... that part of the brain tends to relax.

During the night, the Day parts of the brain turn off and the imagination center turns on.

So i see no harm in being 100% lucid all the time.

It's just swapping around the brain areas for different usages.

The part of the brain that is active during LD, my beleif is, is NOT used in day to day activity.

Rather, it get's an ECHO of your day to day activity. (memory is stored all throughout the brain in random locations.)

I'm kinda hard to read here so I hope this makes a bit of sense.

Originally Posted by OfficerFlake

Well dreaming is just your imagination going a million miles an hour...

During the day... that part of the brain tends to relax.

During the night, the Day parts of the brain turn off and the imagination center turns on.

So i see no harm in being 100% lucid all the time.

It's just swapping around the brain areas for different usages.

The part of the brain that is active during LD, my beleif is, is NOT used in day to day activity.

Rather, it get's an ECHO of your day to day activity. (memory is stored all throughout the brain in random locations.)

I'm kinda hard to read here so I hope this makes a bit of sense.

just wondering, is this a personal theory or is this really what some studies show. Just wondering what to make of this.

Originally Posted by Xedan

just wondering, is this a personal theory or is this really what some studies show. Just wondering what to make of this.

It's not exactly scientific, no, it's more of a very broad layman's explanation (no offense to Flake).

Yeah parts of the brain shut down during sleep and dreams, but as far as I know there is no literal imagination center of the brain.

I actually asked my Biology teacher (Who studied Neurology for about 12 years) about this and she said yes, exsessive Lucid dreaming IS bad for you. Your body only rests if if can get to the Deeper states of sleep which it is not able to do in Lucid Dreaming. She said without getting to this nessisary state you will first become stressed and then eventually psycocotic. So in conclusion I would say yes.
Although please note - I don't know how much she actually knows about Lucid dreaming and her personal views (I think she's against it) may have colored her opinion.
Hope i helped! =)

Originally Posted by VividlyFloating

I actually asked my Biology teacher (Who studied Neurology for about 12 years) about this and she said yes, exsessive Lucid dreaming IS bad for you. Your body only rests if if can get to the Deeper states of sleep which it is not able to do in Lucid Dreaming. She said without getting to this nessisary state you will first become stressed and then eventually psycocotic. So in conclusion I would say yes.
Although please note - I don't know how much she actually knows about Lucid dreaming and her personal views (I think she's against it) may have colored her opinion.
Hope i helped! =)

Obviously she is right in that you so need to spend time in Delta brainwave frequency but she is wrong in thinking that lucid dreaming will keep you from spending time in Delta.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Thanks...

But did you guys say that pregnent women experience some death kind of thing for 15 minutes on their 47 day?

Well, no... Ok. here it is: If you take a hit of DMT from a pipe it will last for about 15 minutes. This is because the brain uses it up real fast. It gobbles it down. It loves it. And there is a chemical that breaks it down. However, it is made in your body in the pineal gland. If it is released over a period of time it will last that period of time.

And the fetus's pineal gland matures and releases DMT at 49 days, not the mother. So the fetus has an intense multidimensional trip at that moment. The Mother AND th Fetus both release DMT during a natural childbirth.

SO if you were born Naturally you had an intense psychedelic trip at 49 days when you entered into your mother's womb (my interpretation), and when you were born when you entered into this world. Every night when you dream you have a psychedelic experience, especially when you are lucid. This is why I think that it is possible to use lucid dreaming for spiritual growth.

I agree with Awakening

Stephen LaBerge says in ETWOLD that lucid dreaming DOESN'T affect you in any bad way. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Originally Posted by VividlyFloating

she said yes, exsessive Lucid dreaming IS bad for you. Your body only rests if if can get to the Deeper states of sleep which it is not able to do in Lucid Dreaming. She said without getting to this nessisary state you will first become stressed and then eventually psycocotic. So in conclusion I would say yes.
Although please note - I don't know how much she actually knows about Lucid dreaming and her personal views (I think she's against it) may have colored her opinion.
Hope i helped! =)

maybe, disapproving of lucid dreaming, she puts the cart before the horse and thinks 'I dont approve of it therefore it must be harmful' or that there much be some kind of punishment (you go mad).
Did she provide scientifically verifiable examples of psychosis that resulted from over doing lucid dreaming?

Maybe it is the case that if you were lucid during all your dream periods this would be harmful but I'd imagine that your brain would self regulate and make sure that it got what it needed?

Why would someone be 'against' lucid dreaming?
I mean, cant you do what you like in your own head

Wow, this thread has grown since last time I was here.

I'm just gonna echo what others have said and say that lucid dreaming most likely has no drawback in terms of rest. After all, the few naturals you see that lucid dream every single night don't seem to be affected, so why would the rest of us? And if it is so unhealthy, I would think the subconscious would step in, like lunar6 said. I find the discussion of DMT and Tibetan beliefs fascinating too, but I guess there's a separate thread for that now.

Originally Posted by Singularity125

Wow, this thread has grown since last time I was here.

I'm just gonna echo what others have said and say that lucid dreaming most likely has no drawback in terms of rest. After all, the few naturals you see that lucid dream every single night don't seem to be affected, so why would the rest of us? And if it is so unhealthy, I would think the subconscious would step in, like lunar6 said. I find the discussion of DMT and Tibetan beliefs fascinating too, but I guess there's a separate thread for that now.

But in that Tibetan beliefs, comes that them train to be aware 24/7. One more proof that it doesn't stop you from resting...

There is no drawback to being aware!!! Rather, there are drawbacks to being ignorant!!!
Awareness doesn't stop relaxation!!! In fact you need to relax to become more aware!!!

Originally Posted by VividlyFloating

I actually asked my Biology teacher (Who studied Neurology for about 12 years) about this and she said yes, exsessive Lucid dreaming IS bad for you. Your body only rests if if can get to the Deeper states of sleep which it is not able to do in Lucid Dreaming. She said without getting to this nessisary state you will first become stressed and then eventually psycocotic. So in conclusion I would say yes.
Although please note - I don't know how much she actually knows about Lucid dreaming and her personal views (I think she's against it) may have colored her opinion.
Hope i helped! =)

She's probably like my mom and the other people I've been talking about. The people who are septic about Lucid Dreams do not believe its possible and then they say that if you're conscious you need to be awake and then I need to keep saying that I've been lucid many times and I know from experience that it is possible to be conscious and dream at the same time so they assume that if you can be conscious without being awake, then you have to be awake but asleep at the same time: Dreaming but not resting. I think septic people think to hard. They try to find explanations or something. lucid dreams simply exist and its simply possible to be conscious during a dream, there's not so complicated I think. YOu're teacher probably just said that because it is logical to her that being conscious is a antonym of sleeping. Like someone said it before, you do need Delta but lucid dreaming doesn't stop you from being in that state.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

There is no drawback to being aware!!! Rather, there are drawbacks to being ignorant!!!
Awareness doesn't stop relaxation!!! In fact you need to relax to become more aware!!!

That's true.

I don't understand why people have trouble believing in lucid dreams. All you are doing is realizing you are asleep.

Originally Posted by Noodles

I read that there is evidence that shows people do sometimes dream in non-REM sleep, just not as vividly as REM.

how long does it take to get into rem? cos i fell asleep in a german test like a couple of months ago, my mate said i was only sleeping for about three minutes, but i remember someone throwing rocks at me and then when i woke up i like put my hands up so the 'rocks' wouldnt hit me

Originally Posted by XeL

Stephen LaBerge says in ETWOLD that lucid dreaming DOESN'T affect you in any bad way. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Yes, this. LaBerg is an expert on the physiology of lucid dreaming, so I would take his word over anyone else's.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I don't understand why people have trouble believing in lucid dreams. All you are doing is realizing you are asleep.

Well, because they never experienced it and they don't believe the evidence. And even with evidence, they don't want to believe anything "wierd". Plus, it kind of reminds them that they don't know everything. They want to think that everyone is like them except for 'wierd' people and that they are 'normal'. They don't see everyone else talking about or believing in lucid dreams so they go along with the flock and shrug it off. also, it has occult connotations to them. It reminds them of things like astral projection and magick and that is just either crazy hocus-pocus or it is satanic to them. Plus they don't see any value in it if it is true. They have little imaginations. They think "so you can do anything you want? So what?". Plus they might be a little bitter that they can't do anything that they want so why should anyone else. You don't get to do anything you want in life, wake up and join the real world. That is what they might think.
Ahhh, such little imagination and such bitterness and ignorance

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Well, because they never experienced it and they don't believe the evidence. And even with evidence, they don't want to believe anything "wierd". Plus, it kind of reminds them that they don't know everything. They want to think that everyone is like them except for 'wierd' people and that they are 'normal'. They don't see everyone else talking about or believing in lucid dreams so they go along with the flock and shrug it off. also, it has occult connotations to them. It reminds them of things like astral projection and magick and that is just either crazy hocus-pocus or it is satanic to them. Plus they don't see any value in it if it is true. They have little imaginations. They think "so you can do anything you want? So what?". Plus they might be a little bitter that they can't do anything that they want so why should anyone else. You don't get to do anything you want in life, wake up and join the real world. That is what they might think.
Ahhh, such little imagination and such bitterness and ignorance

I guess all of this is true but I still don't get it. I remember how I found lucid dreams... I was talking about dreams with someone and realized how much they were cool. I wanted to remember more of them. I thought that if I trained I might be able to remember ALL of my dreams. So I researched "how to remember dreams" and found lucid dreaming... I realized I might never remember ALL my dreams but I thought lucid dreams were just 100000 times better and I thought I had found the best thing in the world and i didn't even doubt one second, i just started researching as much as I could.

I didn't doubt, so its hard for me to think people react like that to them. My mom blames every mistake I do on lucid dreams...

But what really bugs me is that I feel so lonely. I don't know anyone else that does lucid dreams or that is interested in them. Don't you guys feel like that? Lucid dreams are so cool that it's hard for me to to talk about them, especially with my family which all know I do them but they always ask me to stop talking about them. I don't get it! They don't just ignore me, they tell me to STOP talking about. They tell me they don't care. normally, when someone talks about something boring everyone pretends they're interested but no they tell me to stop, and then they (my brothers) start talking about video games... It annoys me. The only place that I can talk about lucid dreams is here but I don't actually know anyone here (for real) so its not the same... I wish more peopel knew about them... At least one person that I would know.

I don't have hard evidence to back me up, but I've been on the site for over a year now and this has come up many times. As far as I can tell, we haven't come up with anything conclusive, but here's my logical thought process:

Most of the reason for needing sleep is to recover the energy that your body uses up. You see (if I remember correctly; I had to study a chart for school once) your body is constantly gaining and losing energy, but during waking life, your body can't gain enough energy to make up for what it loses, so you sleep to recharge. Now, I imagine, the part that the brain needs is a very minimal part. You could probably make this up in your Non-REM sleep, in which you are highly unlikely to have any dreams requiring too much concentration to the brain.
So, to answer your question, if you did NOTHING but lucid dream while you were asleep, it probably wouldn't be good for your health. But, otherwise, you should be fine.

Also, nice to have you back Sleepy. Hope you stay for a while.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

But what really bugs me is that I feel so lonely. I don't know anyone else that does lucid dreams or that is interested in them. Don't you guys feel like that? Lucid dreams are so cool that it's hard for me to to talk about them, especially with my family which all know I do them but they always ask me to stop talking about them. I don't get it! They don't just ignore me, they tell me to STOP talking about. They tell me they don't care. normally, when someone talks about something boring everyone pretends they're interested but no they tell me to stop, and then they (my brothers) start talking about video games... It annoys me. The only place that I can talk about lucid dreams is here but I don't actually know anyone here (for real) so its not the same... I wish more peopel knew about them... At least one person that I would know.

I know what you mean. I know only a few people that are into dreaming and they are only interested in interpreting them and they aren't into the lucidity as much. And they are all on the other side of the country. And they aren't even my close friends. My close friends think its neat but they aren't interested in putting in the discipline. I guess they aren't THAT interested. We are a unique tribe of people, SleepyCookieDough. Get used to it. It is kind of lonely out here on the fringe.