Thread: Does marijuana really help? (question)

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Holy f**k.. you kids are such w*****s..

What the f**k does a kid like you know about anything?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Look.. you're a f******g idiot. What would a young t**t like you know about decent marijuana?

LOL! A double post with the same RANDOM message. I'm not really sure why you are so angry, or why you have assumed that I am young, but you sure are humorous.
Please tell me more, person who has no idea how old I am, or how experienced I am with anything.

Impress me with your hardcore WEED smoking EXPERIENCE!

Is it always going to be this easy to make you all pissed off?
This reminds me of that one time...

Originally Posted by Matte87

Wow you are one angry person.

ROFL! You are going to be a fun tool.

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Lol every thread seems to turn into a philosopher vs <insert offended poster's username> never ending argument. It's worse than reading youtube comments.

And in a weed thread.. son, I am disappoint.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

Lol every thread seems to turn into a philosopher vs <insert offended poster's username> never ending argument. It's worse than reading youtube comments.

And in a weed thread.. son, I am disappoint.

A lot of people don't even know what he is saying. Others can't tell if he is joking or not.

Idk people's problem. Philosopher is probably my favorite DV memeber.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

A lot of people don't even know what he is saying. Others can't tell if he is joking or not.

Idk people's problem. Philosopher is probably my favorite DV memeber.

Yeah I dig him too. Probably the guy who knows the most about what he's talking about on most boards I've seen.

But he's such a troll. <3

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

A lot of people don't even know what he is saying. Others can't tell if he is joking or not.

I can, we share a special bond.



Like Franklin said, weed can really lower the quaility of your dreams. Oddly enough, I don't smoke very often but when I do, it seems to do a good job of breaking lucid dry spells.

Not all smoke in moderation is bad for your lungs. Smoking certain herbs is medicine for your lungs if you suffer from asthma, bronchitis, cold, flu, or pneumonia or lung cancer. Campfire smoke is bad for your lungs, but we have basically evolved to handle it in moderation since our ancestors have been sitting around campfires for tens of thousands of years. But nobody just sits in the campfire smoke and inhales it consistently. You get a whiff, you cough and you move out of the smoke. Marijuana smoke is a medicine also. If you have otherwise healthy lungs, you would have to smoke pounds of pot a day to harm your lungs. There are ways to get around that besides eating it, but I would be breaking forum rules if I told you. I suppose it could be communicated through a PM. But this is off topic. Marijuana also does not kill brain cells. The study that started that urban legend was 40 years old, and they didn't rule out other factors, they didn't prove anything, the results were fudged in order to support the prohibition of marijuana.

I feel it worth saying that the only reason I don't smoke is because it does mess up my dream recall and my vigilance in meditation. Otherwise I would.

lol didn't mean to start a flame war here, just wondering if it helped since i saw a couple of threads where people said it gave them "surreal dreams" but did, in fact, mess with their recall.

And to everyone who's saying it's bad... it really isn't. People have been smoking marijuana for 10,000 years and no one has DIRECTLY died from it.
Alright maybe a guy is stoned while he's driving and crashes into a light post but sitting at home and smoking marijuana will not damage you in anyway.

The whole myth got started way back when the government decided to prohibit it so they conducted a study with monkeys.

Here is what the study said (summed up):

"We gave monkeys marijuana, and after just a couple of days it showed brain cells dying and eventually killed the monkeys."

Now here is what the study did not say but eventually revealed 6 years later (which was too late to dispell the rumors):

"We didn't give the monkeys just your regular dosage of weed, in fact we put gas masks on these monkeys and flooded them with 1000% the regular amount any person (or monkey) would smoke. And we gassed them nonstop. So in fact, the brain cells dying was not from the marijuana, but in actuality, from the lack of oxygen. After the brain is deprived of oxygen for about 6 minutes, brain cells begin to die."

And that, my friends, is why people believe that marijuana kills brain cells. And as for emphysema or lung cancer.. I'd like to see one documented case where the doctor says "This person is going to die because they smoked too much pot."

Marijuana does corrupt the lungs, but not as much as living in New York does.
It is possible that Marijuana kills a few brain cells. Let's consider some other things that kill brain cells: eating junk food, head banging, dehydration, stress, lack of exercise, drinking too much water, thinking negatively too often, elevated testosterone levels, smoking cigarettes, food additives, certain types of cosmetics, using cleaning solvents, certain artificial sweeteners, pollution, lack of sleep, using the microwave, and listening to Philosopher Just kidding, Phil. I suffer from all of those things every day.
You can most likely find sources that disagree with all of those, just as you can find sources to say anything. It really doesn't matter. The smartest people I know smoke marijuana on a daily basis.

But lucidpersian is correct. When we did our tests to show that pot kills brain cells we put gas masks on some monkeys and basically suffocated them.

Originally Posted by sloth

Marijuana does corrupt the lungs, but not as much as living in New York does.
It is possible that Marijuana kills a few brain cells. Let's consider some other things that kill brain cells: eating junk food, head banging, dehydration, stress, lack of exercise, drinking too much water, thinking negatively too often, elevated testosterone levels, smoking cigarettes, food additives, certain types of cosmetics, using cleaning solvents, certain artificial sweeteners, pollution, lack of sleep, using the microwave, and listening to Philosopher Just kidding, Phil. I suffer from all of those things every day.
You can most likely find sources that disagree with all of those, just as you can find sources to say anything. It really doesn't matter. The smartest people I know smoke marijuana on a daily basis.

But lucidpersian is correct. When we did our tests to show that pot kills brain cells we put gas masks on some monkeys and basically suffocated them.

Perfect post.

sloth, I like you Everyone, think it's safe to say that we've covered the thread topic and answered all questions. No more senseless argument about bud please >_<

But that's what marijuana smokers do. They get angry, and start riots.
HA! XD

Pot smoke is a lot easier for the lungs to clean than tar from cigarettes. Inhaling any smoke is bad for you, the difference is how fast your body will recover. Pot does kill your dream recall though, I'm in another thc dry spell

I rarely smoke marijuana, but I haven't found it to have much of an impact on my dream recall. Tends to change my dreams, but not in a specific direction.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Holy f**k.. you kids are such w*****s..

What the f**k does a kid like you know about anything?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Look.. you're a f******g idiot. What would a young t**t like you know about decent marijuana?

I think about 50% of this thread is off-topic bullshit and childish idiocy. Comments like these only perpetuate that. Relax.

Please try to stay on-topic, people. Consider that the stuff you post in drug-related threads could impact the rules at DV, as it has done many times in the past.

If I smoke a lot it kills my recall. If a little, I remember a little less but I have really weird dreams, like the road will start rising up into the air and then turn into a bunch of skittles and next thing I know I'm pushing a purple cow off the edge, then it all disintegrates and I fall hundreds of feet and land inside a haunted house.

I used to think that smoking mj would ruin my dream recall especially after reading so many threads about it. I though I had to choose between mj and lucid dreaming which would be really hard to do. When I thought this way, my dream recall suffered and I ended up giving up on lucid dreaming and dream journaling and just smoked weed. I have come back to lucid dreaming this month and after talking to some very successful lucid dreamers who also smoke plenty of mj I have changed my beliefs about its effects. Now I smoke weed all day every day like I used to but I dont operate out of the mindset that it has a negative impact on my dream recall. As a result I remember 3-4 dreams a night all while burning kb all day. If anything it may take a little more practice to improve your recall on weed but it is in no way impossible. In fact I actually look at it as a dream aid these days and my recall is better than it has ever been. So to any stoners out there, please dont feel you have to choose one over the other. You are the creator of your experience so if you believe you will have bad dream recall because you smoked a bowl before bed then you will.

I do a wbtb smoke a fat one in between then do a wild. It helps me to sepperate body and mind.

I can't fall asleep if I smoke during a WBTB..

Weed is harmless it will not kill you or make you have hallucinations, but it will also make it a lot harder to dream. It's prescribed for sleeping problems, so it will make you fall asleep a lot faster and it will cut your REM cycles along with making your dream recall worse
Anyway it's fun to smoke either way ;p

Most people that say they remember dreams after smoking, remember them in the early morning hours when the effects have worn off and they are getting deeper sleep. But it does affect dream recall no matter what anyone says.

The dudes in your avatar have ridiculous looking camel toes....

With smoking weed and dream recall, it really depends on who you are and your state of being.

Weed = THC. THC in the system = Almost impossible for yourself to get anywhere in the dreaming field. Nuff said.

Originally Posted by mooseantlers

Smoking causes lung damage, it does not screw up your head or anything.

My psychotic experiences under the influence tell me otherwise.

Originally Posted by Reclypso

Weed is harmless it will not kill you or make you have hallucinations, but it will also make it a lot harder to dream. It's prescribed for sleeping problems, so it will make you fall asleep a lot faster and it will cut your REM cycles along with making your dream recall worse
Anyway it's fun to smoke either way ;p

Most people that say they remember dreams after smoking, remember them in the early morning hours when the effects have worn off and they are getting deeper sleep. But it does affect dream recall no matter what anyone says.

It affects dream recall because you tell yourself it does. I wake up 4 1/2 hours after going to bed quite stoned and can remember my dreams vividly. Sure weed can affect your memory at times but do you ever forget something you really want to remember? I know I don't. I don't like to see people generalize, saying that anyone who smokes weed will have problems with dream recall. I know thats not true just by looking at my dream journal. Don't believe in limitation. Weed only affects dream recall if you believe it does

Originally Posted by hashmash89

It affects dream recall because you tell yourself it does. I wake up 4 1/2 hours after going to bed quite stoned and can remember my dreams vividly. Sure weed can affect your memory at times but do you ever forget something you really want to remember? I know I don't. I don't like to see people generalize, saying that anyone who smokes weed will have problems with dream recall. I know thats not true just by looking at my dream journal. Don't believe in limitation. Weed only affects dream recall if you believe it does

Only way to give an answer is to generalize, and if you stopped smoking weed your dream recall would increase even if you have good dream recall when you smoke. I don't care about the 1% that says it doesn't affect them there's always a small percentage that isn't the norm in any study. But it does indeed shorten REM cycles AND reduce dream recall period.


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