Thread: Singularity Experience, a professional iPhone app for Lucid Dreamers

The latest version of Lucid Scribe can now import from Singularity Experience: check it!

Hm, I cannot use my iPod for messages lol
I guess I could record it on to my mobile phone, but I rarely get txts or calls anyway.
But it does sound like a pretty solid method for becoming aware.
Hopefully a lot of people test it out.

I'll be honest with you, I just can't get this app to work for me at all. I'm not using a wristband, just the mattress mode. I never wake up to any sounds throughout the night. Is there any way someone can tell me how I could improve my chances with this app?

haha, wow, that was quick....
I'll just do the same thing.

Wrong thread, Rostum, you should post in here http://www.dreamviews.com/f44/singul...76/index5.html

But, have you updated the app? In version 1.2 you can set your own music as reminders, so you can choose really loud reminders to wake you up.
It definitely does work, you probably just need to figure out how loud you need it to wake you up.

Originally Posted by Rostum

I'll be honest with you, I just can't get this app to work for me at all. I'm not using a wristband, just the mattress mode. I never wake up to any sounds throughout the night. Is there any way someone can tell me how I could improve my chances with this app?

Currently the app plays the reminder at the very start of REM. You can delay the reminder to be played a bit later. I cannot recall the early REM dream episodes during normal dreams.

You can analyze your sleep data with this worksheet:

http://luciddreamingapp.com/appdata/...worksheet.xlsx

Here's more information on how to email yourself the data for data analysis:

My Data - Lucid Dreaming App » Lucid Dreaming App


The first thing that you need to confirm is whether or not the app did play a reminder. This would be shown as a large spike on the graphs. If there are no spikes, the app did not find a time to play a reminder. Then you can take a look at your sleep depth graph. Your REM would be happening almost at the exact middle between the sleep depth peaks. Using this information, you can set a custom delay for the reminder to be played closer to your REM awakening.

Originally Posted by Rostum

I'll be honest with you, I just can't get this app to work for me at all. I'm not using a wristband, just the mattress mode. I never wake up to any sounds throughout the night. Is there any way someone can tell me how I could improve my chances with this app?

Currently the app plays the reminder at the very start of REM. You can delay the reminder to be played a bit later. I cannot recall the early REM dream episodes during normal dreams.

You can analyze your sleep data with this worksheet:

http://luciddreamingapp.com/appdata/...worksheet.xlsx

Here's more information on how to email yourself the data for data analysis:

My Data - Lucid Dreaming App » Lucid Dreaming App


The first thing that you need to confirm is whether or not the app did play a reminder. This would be shown as a large spike on the graphs. If there are no spikes, the app did not find a time to play a reminder. Then you can take a look at your sleep depth graph. Your REM would be happening almost at the exact middle between the sleep depth peaks. Using this information, you can set a custom delay for the reminder to be played closer to your REM awakening.

Ok, I tried the app last night with every reminder set to 0 minutes delay to test whether it really does play at the very start of REM.

You were 100% correct lol
I only woke up twice, but had to check whether the reminders and alarms were actually played and I also ended up sleeping for 10 and a half hours

I think I'll set all the reminders and alarms to delay for even longer than I had it before, maybe 4 minutes instead of 1 or 2.

Hey, with 0 minute delay, the current app may play a lot of reminders! this is why you slept for so long. Sorry about that, I've fixed the timing in version 1.2.

Oh lol. For some reason I had a feeling that might stuff something up too. Well, it's alright I was just testing lol

I look forward to the update being released then!

I almost did a spit-take when I saw that this was only $0.99 on the store right now. Bought!

Originally Posted by lifeinsteps

I almost did a spit-take when I saw that this was only $0.99 on the store right now. Bought!

lol, yeah, it's a 5 day promotion, ends on January 15th!

Originally Posted by tommo

But, have you updated the app? In version 1.2 you can set your own music as reminders, so you can choose really loud reminders to wake you up.
It definitely does work, you probably just need to figure out how loud you need it to wake you up.

Sorry I had both threads open in different tabs and didn't realise I was on the wrong one. Thanks, I'll look in to making louder customised sounds.

Originally Posted by Ev

Currently the app plays the reminder at the very start of REM. You can delay the reminder to be played a bit later. I cannot recall the early REM dream episodes during normal dreams.

The first thing that you need to confirm is whether or not the app did play a reminder. This would be shown as a large spike on the graphs. If there are no spikes, the app did not find a time to play a reminder. Then you can take a look at your sleep depth graph. Your REM would be happening almost at the exact middle between the sleep depth peaks. Using this information, you can set a custom delay for the reminder to be played closer to your REM awakening.

Thanks for the reply. All of this is a lot of stuff to take in, but even after reading that link I am still confused. All I can find is this graph, which all recordings seem to look like other than ones that have failed:



I am certain I have the most up to date version of the app. At least, there doesn't seem to be any notifcations for an update.

Originally Posted by Rostum

Sorry I had both threads open in different tabs and didn't realise I was on the wrong one. Thanks, I'll look in to making louder customised sounds.



Thanks for the reply. All of this is a lot of stuff to take in, but even after reading that link I am still confused. All I can find is this graph, which all recordings seem to look like other than ones that have failed:



I am certain I have the most up to date version of the app. At least, there doesn't seem to be any notifcations for an update.

This is the graph version 1.1 in version 1.2 I introduced the smoother color coded graphs like the ones on the website ( see screenshot below). Your graph looks very good, the yellow line is the depth of sleep, which will correspond to deep sleep on the new graph. By looking at the yellow line and the gray line, you can see (I hope) that your sleep depth peaks occur at 90 minute intervals more or less for sleep cycles #3,4,5 and 6. In between the sleep depth peaks is your REM sleep.
This graph is not the most user friendly, the new one is much better. I recommend you to keep using the app, this way you would be able to view all this data with new graphs when the update comes out.

Ah thanks for the info! Yeah that new graph looks much easier to read. I'll keep reading up about it, from what you've posted here and on blogs.

I can't seem to get the reminders to play. I line up the black marker, press the orange button, and then the center play button. All of the reminders except for the last one turn transparent. There also aren't any spikes on the graph like you said. Am I doing something wrong?

Going to try this, thank you for making

I'm putting together a list of potential bugfixes, it can be found here:

Version 1.2 Bug workarounds - Lucid Dreaming App » Lucid Dreaming App

Originally Posted by Ev

I'm putting together a list of potential bugfixes, it can be found here:

Version 1.2 Bug workarounds - Lucid Dreaming App » Lucid Dreaming App

It looks like you have spent a lot of blood, sweat, and tears on this app! I wish you well and hope that you are successful in working out the bugs.

I have personally experienced some success in the past using other "lucid aids" with and without my Iphone and plan to test yours some day soon once you have everything tweaked!

I just got this app, and my question is: What time do you set the app for when you head to bed? Should it be at the time you lay down or maybe a little more a head of that? For example, lets say I lay down to go to sleep at 11PM, however I end up falling asleep at around 11:30 PM. Would I still set it to 11 or 11:30? Or are the dials on the advanced option not for that?

Originally Posted by kmmtock

I can't seem to get the reminders to play. I line up the black marker, press the orange button, and then the center play button. All of the reminders except for the last one turn transparent. There also aren't any spikes on the graph like you said. Am I doing something wrong?

The same thing happened to me (last reminder not transparent) and it doesn't play reminders if it stays like that.
So what I did is just click on it, the music selection screen thing will pop up, and then you just click "Done" and it will go transparent.
Then the app plays reminders

Originally Posted by Mosake

I just got this app, and my question is: What time do you set the app for when you head to bed? Should it be at the time you lay down or maybe a little more a head of that? For example, lets say I lay down to go to sleep at 11PM, however I end up falling asleep at around 11:30 PM. Would I still set it to 11 or 11:30? Or are the dials on the advanced option not for that?

Align the black marker with your bedtime. The app calculates your sleep onset automatically.

Originally Posted by Ev

Align the black marker with your bedtime. The app calculates your sleep onset automatically.

Ahhhh alright cool, thanks. Dang that's pretty slick nice job man.

@Tommo, thanks for that last post on configuring the one that wouldn't turn transparent, I was having that same issue lol, but now it went transparent. Hopefully everything goes smoothly tonight.

I used the app again this night, and I marked out my remembered dreams and awakenings, and before all of them I remembered that I had dreamt.
And it showed on the graph that I was close to REM! It's really cool that this app can guess when REM will occur only becuase of the movement

Here is a picture of the graph: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/graft.png/

Hehe, it is really cool when you realise that it actually works hey?