Thread: AURORA Lucid Dreaming Mask

Hello,
I don't know why so many guys think Aurora is amazing and revolutionary. It's like a ND or REM Dreamer, but it's a headband, and maybe they use a better REM detection (Aurora uses brainwave ). Rem dreamer pro and Aurora use the sound/light method to induce Lucid dreaming. There are no reviews about the Aurora. The only good and new features are : Brainwaves (EEG),Muscle Tension (EMG) and Heart Rate (ECG).
BUT this is only detection method. Lucid dreaming devices don't need a better "rem phase" detection. They need a better INDUCTION. REM dreamer and Nova Dreamer are fine for REM detection, but the problem is to induce de lucid dream. Sound and lights don't work everytime and for everyone. And the The aurora does not offer us a new foolproof method. The price = 300$, Is this not too much for this product? Will there be the same story as with the Remee? People will be able to buy it thinking they will be able to lucid dream on command? Why everyone is waiting impatiently product? Why the kickstarter campaign worked so well?

I read that brain zaps (40hz) can induce lucid dream in 77% of the time. That's a new method!. We need more reviews and infos about this but I think that, this kind of devices are the future of lucid dream. I made some research and I found this device. Seems to be good ! You should keep an eye on this. And wait some reviews, no?
In conclusion: why everyone sees the Aurora so well? What do you think about EILD? What's really different between REM dreamer and Aurora?

Sorry for my English

I post this on reddit, and here so I'll understand why you think that the aurora is amazing Cauz By the way it's 300$ and nothing is really new and amazing, or maybe I'm wrong? Tell me !

Originally Posted by Qbifree

Hello,
I don't know why so many guys think Aurora is amazing and revolutionary. It's like a ND or REM Dreamer, but it's a headband, and maybe they use a better REM detection (Aurora uses brainwave ). Rem dreamer pro and Aurora use the sound/light method to induce Lucid dreaming. There are no reviews about the Aurora. The only good and new features are : Brainwaves (EEG),Muscle Tension (EMG) and Heart Rate (ECG).
BUT this is only detection method. Lucid dreaming devices don't need a better "rem phase" detection. They need a better INDUCTION. REM dreamer and Nova Dreamer are fine for REM detection, but the problem is to induce de lucid dream. Sound and lights don't work everytime and for everyone. And the The aurora does not offer us a new foolproof method. The price = 300$, Is this not too much for this product? Will there be the same story as with the Remee? People will be able to buy it thinking they will be able to lucid dream on command? Why everyone is waiting impatiently product? Why the kickstarter campaign worked so well?

I read that brain zaps (40hz) can induce lucid dream in 77% of the time. That's a new method!. We need more reviews and infos about this but I think that, this kind of devices are the future of lucid dream. I made some research and I found this device. Seems to be good ! You should keep an eye on this. And wait some reviews, no?
In conclusion: why everyone sees the Aurora so well? What do you think about EILD? What's really different between REM dreamer and Aurora?

Sorry for my English

I post this on reddit, and here so I'll understand why you think that the aurora is amazing Cauz By the way it's 300$ and nothing is really new and amazing, or maybe I'm wrong? Tell me !

OK thanks for you comments. Its amazing how people (not just you) have selecting reading and do not consider points I made in the original post. A DEILD is a very easy method to become lucid and the Aurora will be the Perfect device for this because of the following points:

1) it can be programmed to subtly wake / rouse you from sleep during REM - Perfect for a DEILD which has a huge success rate
2) A headband will be easier to wear than those chunky sleep masks ( I have a RemDreamer also)
3) No infrared detection - I, for one, dont like the idea of infra red im my eye all the time - goolge 'electric magnetic field levels'
4) Superior rem detection using EEG

These points are facts and do not need any reviews to confirm.

The Aurora will be highly customizable and updatable via apps & bluetooth. I think the Aurora will blast all RemDreamer / Nova Dreamers out the window

Yes its pricey but worth it. I also appreciate that there will be 'day work' in awareness and learning to recognize cues etc but we do that anyways (most of us)

The lucid dreaming community really needs to get behind products like this to drive the innovations forward

Just my thought though
Ezzo

congratulations on the mistake of preordering Aurora. Their communication sucks, their timeline sucks, their empty promises suck and their product is outdated.
I am disgruntled Kickstarter backer of this product and until I get ANYTHING from them I strongly discourage anybody to order their stuff until they deliver to backers and lets those backers try and review the product.

Superior REM detection? Fact? I must have missed the massive study the founders published, where is it?

I'm also not too excited about IR in my eyes. But I need to sleep with a mask or a rolled up shirt or something over my eyes because my room is very light, and for this reason I'm not sure Aurora will work for me.

I'll probably buy one unless reviews show it to be a total brick once (if?) it ships, because I think dream tech is cool.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Superior REM detection? Fact? I must have missed the massive study the founders published, where is it?

Originally Posted by Raipat

congratulations on the mistake of preordering Aurora. Their communication sucks, their timeline sucks, their empty promises suck and their product is outdated.
I am disgruntled Kickstarter backer of this product and until I get ANYTHING from them I strongly discourage anybody to order their stuff until they deliver to backers and lets those backers try and review the product.

I dont think its a mistake to pre order as I would buy one anyway and have the funds available. You are correct that their communication suck - it really does! but this product is set for launch now within 6 weeks. I know there have been many delays but their last update really is a promising one.

I'm also not too excited about IR in my eyes. But I need to sleep with a mask or a rolled up shirt or something over my eyes because my room is very light, and for this reason I'm not sure Aurora will work for me.

I'll probably buy one unless reviews show it to be a total brick once (if?) it ships, because I think dream tech is cool.

I maybe jumped the gun on the superior REM detection in the Aurora, im led to believe that EEG detection using an algorithm can accuratley detect REM better that infra red sensors, maybe im wrong. Im really only getting the Aurora to help with DEILD. I will review as soon as i get it

A lot of negativity about this product is sad, maybe the disaster that was the Remee had a big part to play on peoples expectations of lucid dream devices

:-/

takes the shine off a bit
Ezzo

I don't see negativity, I see "show me, wait and see" neutral skepticism.

remee was a no-go due to no REM detection. Additionally, the production quality is poor as they seem to break easily, so even trying to use it as a DEILD timer didn't work out for me. I had the same idea, to use remee as a DEILD timer, but after about 100 nights it broke.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I don't see negativity, I see "show me, wait and see" neutral skepticism.

remee was a no-go due to no REM detection. Additionally, the production quality is poor as they seem to break easily, so even trying to use it as a DEILD timer didn't work out for me. I had the same idea, to use remee as a DEILD timer, but after about 100 nights it broke.

I currently use an auto-stop alarm for DEILD. I find that if the timing is just right then a DEILD is super simple. I simply start to fall back asleep whilst retaining a little awareness sometimes with a mantra of 'im dreaming' This will then lead to vibrations and an obe

When I say 'timing' the 2 elements are to be woken during a dream and be tired enough to fall back asleep

With alarms / remee getting that timing right is hit and miss - mostly miss. Hopefully the Aurora will get the timing right the majority of the time.

As you say, wait n see :-)
Ezzo

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

OK thanks for you comments. Its amazing how people (not just you) have selecting reading and do not consider points I made in the original post. A DEILD is a very easy method to become lucid and the Aurora will be the Perfect device for this because of the following points:

1) it can be programmed to subtly wake / rouse you from sleep during REM - Perfect for a DEILD which has a huge success rate
2) A headband will be easier to wear than those chunky sleep masks ( I have a RemDreamer also)
3) No infrared detection - I, for one, dont like the idea of infra red im my eye all the time - goolge 'electric magnetic field levels'
4) Superior rem detection using EEG

These points are facts and do not need any reviews to confirm.

The Aurora will be highly customizable and updatable via apps & bluetooth. I think the Aurora will blast all RemDreamer / Nova Dreamers out the window

Yes its pricey but worth it. I also appreciate that there will be 'day work' in awareness and learning to recognize cues etc but we do that anyways (most of us)

The lucid dreaming community really needs to get behind products like this to drive the innovations forward

Just my thought though
Ezzo

The people who make that mask (iW****)... clue: rhymes with links ([RANT]the ones I cannot post here as INFO on a lucid dreaming site, although the latter allows crappy annoying adverts anyhow[/RANT]) have recently posted an update in regard to beta mask shipping for test.

Either 3 (or 4?) are in the process of being posted, although it looks like one has the accessories bag missing (?), ha, ha!

A:
1) Wait for the reviews. Then we will know finally.
2) The headband device, to me looks just as clunky. It reminds me of a PIR sensor box.
3) IR detection was good enough for LaBerge. I guess you are ok with a device next to your eyes that emits Bluetooth (microwave) radiation all night though?
4) Yes - in a sleep lab using the recognised 10-20 system.

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

These points are facts and do not need any reviews to confirm.

Sources?

Aurora beta developer units have supposedly shipped now. They're still not yet to production plastic on the case, no saying how long that will be but probably within a few months.

Wait and see haha

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I don't see negativity, I see "show me, wait and see" neutral skepticism.

remee was a no-go due to no REM detection. Additionally, the production quality is poor as they seem to break easily, so even trying to use it as a DEILD timer didn't work out for me. I had the same idea, to use remee as a DEILD timer, but after about 100 nights it broke.

Im 100% confident on a few thing regarding LD induction

1) DIELD is super simple. Every single time I use my RemDreamer pro, the lights wake me and I instantly DEILD with ease
2) The Aurora will make this even easier

I am still amazed that alarm based DEILD is not the main induction technique.

FryingMan - it sucks that your Remme is broke. I know that giving a few tweaks, you would have been succesfull with it for DEILD'ing. Wait until 7 hours of sleep ( not 4-6) After 7 hours set Remee for every 10 minutes and you WILL hit a rem period, make sure the lights wake you, remain dead still ... you know the drill! :-)

The Remee is a great device IF you understand HOW and WHEN it can / should be used. For a beginner, the Remee is not going to help at all and anyone that hoped to simply put it on and get lucid were always gonna be dissapointed, hense the crys of 'Scam!'

Its not a scam, a bit misleading perhaps, but in the right hands it can work great for DEILD

Comments, flames & criticisms welcome!
Ezzo

Ezzo

remee was marketed to Joe Random Guy as basically a personal holodeck device (take control of your dreams!), not to the tiny audience of already fairly successful LD practitioners.

You're claiming a 100% success rate with RD pro? Impressive. Do you notice the lights every use? Do you put it on at bed time or WBTB time?

I never gave alarm DEILD enough of a try. Kind of hard with a spouse in the bed with you, though. I suppose I could try an earphone, but I sleep on my sides, and need to turn over once in a while. I had great hopes for Oneirics, which included a vibrating wristband in addition to the REM-detecting (via IR) and LED-shining/audio sounding mask, but he didn't get funded, so his progress is slow and is probably still a long way away.

Have you had multiple alarm DEILDs in a single night?

I'd love to do what Sivason does and get a big bunch of reliable, short LDs in the morning (he sets his phone to go off every 10-20 minutes after about 6 hours of sleep). But it took him about 3 years of experimenting to find his sweet spot.

I friend who tried the beta N2D2 at a LaBerge retreat really liked it. But who knows when it will hit production for the public.

I may have finally figured out how to return to sleep reasonably quickly, so I may look into this more.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

remee was marketed to Joe Random Guy as basically a personal holodeck device (take control of your dreams!), not to the tiny audience of already fairly successful LD practitioners.

You're claiming a 100% success rate with RD pro? Impressive. Do you notice the lights every use? Do you put it on at bed time or WBTB time?

I never gave alarm DEILD enough of a try. Kind of hard with a spouse in the bed with you, though. I suppose I could try an earphone, but I sleep on my sides, and need to turn over once in a while. I had great hopes for Oneirics, which included a vibrating wristband in addition to the REM-detecting (via IR) and LED-shining/audio sounding mask, but he didn't get funded, so his progress is slow and is probably still a long way away.

Have you had multiple alarm DEILDs in a single night?

I'd love to do what Sivason does and get a big bunch of reliable, short LDs in the morning (he sets his phone to go off every 10-20 minutes after about 6 hours of sleep). But it took him about 3 years of experimenting to find his sweet spot.

I friend who tried the beta N2D2 at a LaBerge retreat really liked it. But who knows when it will hit production for the public.

I may have finally figured out how to return to sleep reasonably quickly, so I may look into this more.

Hi FryingMan. So I have tried all of the following DEILD techniques

1) I bought an Apple iWatch and set the alarm for 6 hours after sleep and then every 15 minutes
The problems: The vibrating alarm just isnt strong enough to wake me at any point

2) I used an auto shut off alarm app for my iphone and created a 2 second alarm for 6 hours into sleep and then every 15 minutes with headphones
The problems: Headphones kept falling out. Lying on side very uncomfortable. Hit & Miss with REM timings

3)Remee mask. Set to go off after 6 hours every 15 minutes
The problems: Lights were not adjustable enough and Rem was hit and miss

4) The RemDreamer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Set to go off after 6 hours sleep. I would sleep without mask for 6 hours then put it on. I set it at the lowest brightness to flash quickly for 2 seconds.
The result: REM Detection is very very acurate!!! Each time i will be dreaming and then notice the lights (not in the dream but in the real world) This would rouse me from the dream, i would keep still and then (most of the time) find myself in a false awakening. i then nose plug, get up and go on an adventure.

The RemDreamer will then wait for about 5 minutes and then flash again if it still detects REM. This may remove you from your current lucid but you can then simply DEILD back in or have another OBE or False awaking (both, in my opinion are just lucid dreams in the bedroom)

Because every time that mask flashes, you are 99% in REM its highly effective. The obvious difference with the Remee is that many times when the device flashed you will not be in Rem

I hope this helps, I love DEILD and i love talking about it including the methods I use so please feel free to ask away

I am a staunch believer that it is much more effective to DEILD when woken during a dream rather than trying naturally after a dream. Books like 'The Phrase' were fantastic a few years ago but thats before people had a reliable method of being interrupted during a dream. I guess if the novadreamer (ive never used) was in production then I would be singing the praises of that too

With the Aurora on the way, i dont know how it will be any better or worse, we shall see.

And with regards to the saftey to RemDreamer, i have assurances direct from the manufacturer that the infrared detectors they use are 100% safe

Long with RemDreamer!

Ps: I only started my lucid dreaminer quest last year (im 45 years old male from UK) and I get lucid every time with RemDreamer!

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

... I get lucid every time with RemDreamer!

Hi Ezzo,
I just can't get that: If you get lucid every time with RD, then why bother trying a new device?
I have a RD for some years now and I only got lucid once with it.... actually I got lucid without it (using Raduga style DEILD), then the lights interrupted the LD many times (every 5 mins) and I successfully Deildded a couple more times. But that was actually annoying. There should be an option to set the lights every 10 or 15 minutes...

edit: Sorry, I just noticed that you have explained that above. More comfortable, no infrared, etc.
Ok. Then probably it will be a very effective and comfortable device for you!

Originally Posted by Qbifree

I read that brain zaps (40hz) can induce lucid dream in 77% of the time. That's a new method!. We need more reviews and infos about this but I think that, this kind of devices are the future of lucid dream.

Hi Qbifree,
no, unfortunately thats not the case. As much as I also wanted to believe that tACS could induce LDs at will, this is just not true at all...

Hi. Ive never has success with lights penertrating into an actual dream, which is the 'correct'way to use RemDreamer. I set it so that the lights flash (low intensity) for 1/4 second for maximum of 2 seconds. As the lights always show during a dream it creates perfect DEILD conditions. If I can remember the last scene of the dream i will hold onto that, if not them ill simply 'drop back' look at my closed eyelids and get an OBE - and become lucid that way

If it fails, no problem, go back to sleep and retry within minutes of the next dream!

You talk about raduga style. He knew that DEILD is the easiest way to become lucid and now with Remdreamer this is made easy to do

Ezzo

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

Hi. Ive never has success with lights penertrating into an actual dream, which is the 'correct'way to use RemDreamer. I set it so that the lights flash (low intensity) for 1/4 second for maximum of 2 seconds.
You talk about raduga style. He knew that DEILD is the easiest way to become lucid and now with Remdreamer this is made easy to do
Ezzo

I know. After I had used RD unsuccessfully for some years (the correct way), I had the same idea with you: to use it for DEILD. Initially I was very excited, but contrary to your experience, after many, many trials, I ended up having no success (apart from the one time I told you earlier). I would either not notice the lights at all (low intensity), or awake for good by the lights (high intensity) and had trouble falling back asleep (and when I did, I just drifted into a normal dream). You are lucky to be able to slightly wake up and drift back consciously - I wasn't able to do it...

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

You talk about raduga style. He knew that DEILD is the easiest way to become lucid and now with Remdreamer this is made easy to do
Ezzo

Radula style DEILD was the only one that worked for me - and quite good at the beginning, but it stopped working for me after some time and I still don't know why...

Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

I know. After I had used RD unsuccessfully for some years (the correct way), I had the same idea with you: to use it for DEILD. Initially I was very excited, but contrary to your experience, after many, many trials, I ended up having no success (apart from the one time I told you earlier). I would either not notice the lights at all (low intensity), or awake for good by the lights (high intensity) and had trouble falling back asleep (and when I did, I just drifted into a normal dream). You are lucky to be able to slightly wake up and drift back consciously - I wasn't able to do it...



Radula style DEILD was the only one that worked for me - and quite good at the beginning, but it stopped working for me after some time and I still don't know why...

Simething important to consider - I will use the other night as an example. The RD lights went off. I kept dead still and after 30 seconds nothing happened. I was just lying there and even though i knew I was awake ( and i felt very much awake) i decided to try a nose plug and was astonished when the nose plug worked!!!

So always assume after a failed DEILD attempt you could have simply dropped into a false awakening - always reality check!

Keep tinkering with the RD settings. Mine are set to flash at low intensity for 1/4 second every second for 2 seconds - so thats 2 quick flashes, the sesitivity is set at '7' (I have heard that '8' dosnt work properly) I always go to sleep without the mask and then out it on about 6 hours into sleep

I hope this helps

Ezzo

It's entirely possible you never left the dream at all! FA's can be amazingly hard to detect without RCs. The feeling of being "awake in bed" is utterly convincing.

Yes Ezzo, this might indeed have happened to me - but most of the time I was awakened for good (with RemDreamer lights), and I know that for sure because I couldn't fall back asleep and simply got up. As I told you, not everyone seems to be able to fall back asleep easily after a mechanical awakening - you are lucky to be one. I would easily be inspired to try again (tweaking with the settings) after your success, but for now I have found another very effective technique for me and I will stick with it. Btw, you still haven't answered my question on your other thread: how many successful and unsuccessful trials have you done in total?
Some initial success does not always equal long term efficiency...

Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

Yes Ezzo, this might indeed have happened to me - but most of the time I was awakened for good (with RemDreamer lights), and I know that for sure because I couldn't fall back asleep and simply got up. As I told you, not everyone seems to be able to fall back asleep easily after a mechanical awakening - you are lucky to be one. I would easily be inspired to try again (tweaking with the settings) after your success, but for now I have found another very effective technique for me and I will stick with it. Btw, you still haven't answered my question on your other thread: how many successful and unsuccessful trials have you done in total?
Some initial success does not always equal long term efficiency...

Hi. out of the last 50 nights where I wbtb then wore the RemDreamer I have gotten lucid at least once during the night.

What settings was you using on your RD and what effective technique do you use now?

Ezzo

Out of 50 nights where you wbtb and wore the RD you got lucid - wow - that's pretty good track record! Thinking about this gadget ... I will keep my eye on how others get on

I think perhaps one of the most telling things from this is the importance of the ability to fall back asleep quickly after a micro-WBTB/waking.

Yes - but maybe with training on the correct setting even people who don't fall asleep easily could get the sweet spot... It's a lot of money to splash out without knowing though

I am getting better at falling back to sleep but naturaly it takes time and I have gotten used to that style of wbtb - with more Lucids I will branch out a bit more

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

Hi. out of the last 50 nights where I wbtb then wore the RemDreamer I have gotten lucid at least once during the night.

Wow! Over 50 lucids in 50 attempts? That's simply amazing.
So, why does your profile mention: LD count 17?
Also, and most importantly, the only time I had success with it, the device kept flashing every 5minutes essentially ruining every lucid experience that I started. Didn't this happen to you? Doesn't this bother you?

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I think perhaps one of the most telling things from this is the importance of the ability to fall back asleep quickly after a micro-WBTB/waking.

While reading again - carefully - my dream journal (these attempts) sometimes I would notice the lights but drift back to sleep almost straight away - so, gaining enough consciousness but without awakening for good it perhaps the way to go - but not very easy in my experience...

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

What settings was you using on your RD and what effective technique do you use now?

The settings in the succesfull attempt were similar to yours - I think. Then at following attempts I had to increase the sensitivity to 5-4 to get flashes and also the brightness to 8-9, else I wouldn't notice them. There is still the possibility I didnt do as many trials as I should have as I get easily disappointed when I don't get the results I want...
As for my new technique, it is one I have developed lately and still testing. I will post about it after I confirm consistent good results with it. It basically consist of WBTB, then white noise + freestyle SSILD to keep me in borderline sleep - I had excellent results with it so far.