Thread: Ingesting A Stimulant & A Depressant Before Bedtime

Ill try that tonight, what if i take a sleeping pill and drink an energy drink or green tea or something.

Originally Posted by a

Ill try that tonight, what if i take a sleeping pill and drink an energy drink or green tea or something.[/b]

I haven't had a Lucid, Couldn't even really recall my Dreams, BUT I am nevertheless very excited about the results from yesterday night's experiment. After the coffee and the Joint I went to bed. I felt very relaxed and immediately started feeling SP set in ( Thanks to Marijuana ). As I was lying there I was very aware, Clearminded and wakefull ( Thanks to the coffee ) I Experienced some pretty intense, colorfull and vivid Hypnologic imagery and Almost tried to enter a Dream by moving into a light circular light I saw. It wasn't as realistic as a ''Bright white light'' I had seen before and tried to enter as well, but more a vague colorfull light. I felt strange energyflow-vibrations in my body. As if ''energy charges'' were shooting down my arms and legs and out of my hands and feet. Then I felt more and more removed from my Body. I actually had to Scratch myself a couple of times. It would temporarily decrease the SP but as soon as I was relaxing again I could just ''Numb'' My hands and the rest of my Body at will. Not long after that I fell asleep unconsciously, remembering very abstract impressions of my Dream throughout the day but just too little to be able to put it to words.


I've smoked about 3 Joints today and now I'm smoking my 4th Joint with a Cup of Coffee with some Cacao mixed through it. Cacao contains MAOIs, substances that inhibit the destruction of Psychoactive substances in your system: allowing anything from Caffeïne to Cannabis, work Longer and Stronger. + Cacao is also said to be a DreamEnhancer.
I'll soon post the Results of this Mind-Stunt.

My next experiment is to do this same thing: drink a Strong Coffee while smoking a Strong Cannabis Joint, but then I will set my Alarmclock to go off at 5:30 in the morning, then smoke the joint and Drink the Coffee and Go back to sleep trying to WILD.

If anyone wants to joint me in this experiment let me know.
If mods think this topic belongs in Research: go ahead and movee it. I posted it here cuz it involves the use of Psycho-actives: Lucid Aids. So I was a little confused as to where to post this Topic.

this seems like a good idea, or at least it has some merit. it sounds as if it has some effects for you, and so i think i'll give it a try. I wont be able to try it until either tomorrow or later until i have more weed haha.

Isn't this the same principal behind the B6/Melatonin combo? Stimulant + Sleep aid, but both of these seem to work with your brain instead of against it. I just can't imagine having good results on a pot/caffeine mix, since both of those on their own hurt my recall.

Originally Posted by carlhungis

Isn't this the same principal behind the B6/Melatonin combo? Stimulant + Sleep aid, but both of these seem to work with your brain instead of against it. I just can't imagine having good results on a pot/caffeine mix, since both of those on their own hurt my recall.[/b]

Funny thing is I have ADHD. And my brain appearantly makes too much Dopamine: The hormone that gives you energy, joy and hyperactivity. When I take stimulants the strangest things happen: I Calm down. Where other people would be jumping all hyped up, from XTC, Coffee or Energy drink I would become mentally very aware, but also mentally and physically calm. I know alot of people who cannot sleep on Coffee or Energy drinks, but I can. It does increase my Awareness and ability to focus attention, but also buzzed me ''down'' physically that it allows me to sleep on it.

My next Experiment will be Coffee and joints again. I'll start in a second. This time, like I did before I'm going to listen to a very Entrancing Hypnotising MP3 that had put me in a really significantly deep trance last time I tried it. At a certain moment it was as if I felt my sitting body spin round in two different directions at the same time. It was a very wierd Sensation.

The more and more you surrender your self to and upen your mind to hypnosis the stronger it's effect will be.
In a second I'm going to roll a Joint and make some Coffee. After finishing the Joint and the Coffee I will listen to the +/- 30 minutes Hypnosis MP3. Then See how I feel and if desirable repeat process.

What is the MP3 that you are talking about? Is it available online.....?

Alter one way then alter it the opposite. If you think about it is seems a bit ridiculous.


It is the altering of the mind you are after is it not?

Originally Posted by Howietzer

Alter one way then alter it the opposite. If you think about it is seems a bit ridiculous.


It is the altering of the mind you are after is it not?[/b]

Yeah, that's correct. Altering the Mind to hopefully find a desirable state that is easy to recreate for Lucid Dreaming.
I'm actually trying to find out if I can play with the thin line that lies between sleep and wakefullness with things that make you sleepy and things that make you wakefull.

You are a lucid dreamer. Lucid Dreaming is a Magical, bewondering and amazingly usefull State of Mind. Also it is a ratherunique state that, even WHEN it does occur Naturally, happens VERY rarely. So if you're trying to have an LD using some technique that is supposed to help you, then you are doing exactly the same as me, and way too many other people around the world to mention: And that is to alter the Mind into a Desirable state. Lucidity in this case.
So what is it you find so Rediculous about altering states of Mind actually? If it's normal for a working man to drink a Cup of Coffee, or tea, to get by from the Morning-buzz and have the desirable, wakefull state of Mind he needs for work, why would it be rediculous if it was a Dreamer that wanted to experiment with simulants and depressants to see if he could sleep with a more wakefull and alert state of Mind?

It's not like I would snort a line of Cocaine and then smoke a bit of Opium to do that. I'm not that kind of guy. It's just weed and Coffee. The effects from the things I'm using like weed, coffee, tea aren't any severe or Disturbing effects at all if that's what you're getting at. Cannabis, Coffee and Tea Damnit
This night I am actually allready rather tired due to a few hours of sleep deprivation built up in the last couple of nights so I might Drink a Couple of Cups of tea before bedtime to clear my senses and awaken my Mind a little. Tea is a subtile stimulant; It relaxes the body, calms the mind but also relieves you of Drowsyness and Sharpens your senses making you more aware and clearminded.

Allright. Last night was a Combination of Extreme Sleepyness, 1 cup of Strong Tea ( Moroccan Tea mixed with Ginseng Tea ) and then trying to ''Arouse the Brain'' as I was falling asleep. Check Howietzers topic ''Arouse the Brain'' to learn more about it. In a nutshell what I did was induce the feeling of extreme slap-happyness as I was in bed falling asleep. The sensation that can only be described as the ''Wheeeeeeh ''-sensation you know. ;P

Last night's dreams were fabulously clear, vivid and memorable which they havenm't been in about 4 to 5 months or so. Also last night I had just started to fall ill very slowly. Woke up a little groggy by a Friend's phonecall.

So tonight I will try it again. I can only hope that I am sleepy and drowsy enough tonight, cuz that often differs from night to night with me. I will drink the Tea just before I go to bed. Then Excite my Mind by inducing that wheeeeeeh! sensation and fall asleep like that. Anyone wanna do this ''Sleepyness + Tea + Happyness Experiment'' together with me tonight? Let me know.

how about a shitload of jager and rockstar....... and maybe a little sex????

Originally Posted by A

how about a shitload of jager and rockstar....... and maybe a little sex????[/b]

Jager is Alcohol and Rockstar is what? Havenn't heard of it. Is it a sort of Energy Drink like Red Bull?

Anyway that would work fine too. Allthough my Alcohol tolerance is really low since I seldomly drink a humble amount of Shots of strong Liquor is enough to bring me ''down''. I will soon buy a Bottle of tequilla and find out if it works. I'll save the rest of the Tequilla to see if it can help me get to sleep on Insomniac nights I have sometimes

And sex is a strange thing as it both Relaxes the Body and Arouses the Mind. I'll have to find out next time my girl sleeps over

But ATM I am rather ill so whatever stimulant I use I don't plan on using any Depressents as long as I'm ill.
Maybe it was my Illness that has, after hours and hours of restlessness, has givin me a Lucid Dream Last night. On the one hand I have got a slight penetrant headache, muscleaches in my back and I cough like a SARS victim. This Discomfort was what kept me wakefull throughout last Night leading me to have these brief awakenings that lasted no more than perhaps 20 seconds max. While at the same time the headaches and lack of Energy put me down and made me drowsy and sleepy.

I'll save the Alcohol/Energy Drink-experiment for later when I'm no longer ill since I wouldn't be able to tell if the results had to do with the Alcohol/EnergyDrink combo or the illness. + ATM I can't even bare to think of pouring Toxic Alcohol in my ill body. All I'll do tonight before going to wonderland is drink a of couple cups of tea, as a subtile Stimulant, as Tea clears my mind and makes me a little bit more witty and sharp.

So Tea & illness will be my Stimulant & Depressant for tonight.

I'll take a couple caffeine pills and beers tonight no problem, don't think this'll work out though, been on caffeine+alcohol many times before bedtime, but I'll have a look

Keurslager; Keur jij vrouwelijk vlees dan? wie niet heh?

As far as I know Alcohol more severely disturbs healthy sleepcycles than any other depressant.
However I'm willing to try experimenting with Alcohol and a Stimulant too. Maybe Alcohol and Coffee, or Energydrink.

I favour Tea as my favorite Stimulant. I recommend you people to try and Drink Ginseng-Tea before bedtime: Ginseng is a stimulant mentally awakening herb.

Originally Posted by carlhungis

What is the MP3 that you are talking about? Is it available online.....?[/b]

It's a link that Ranma gave to me in another Topic of mine.
Here it is: Hypnosis MP3
Takes about half an hour though so you best do this when you've got the time and the assurance that you won't be disturbed.

This would seem to produce vivid hypnagogic images. Does it? Have you noticed?

Originally Posted by Howietzer

This would seem to produce vivid hypnagogic images. Does it? Have you noticed?[/b]

Well actually it has. How is it you came to that suggestion may I ask?

I've experienced Hypnagogic Imagery far more Realistic and ''Typical'' than usually.
Not like a couple of red and white dots here and some colored stripes in the blackness. More like my entire field of vision was constantly filled with Vague colorplanes of soft colors like, Pastel-lightpurple, light Turqiose green and brightgreen. And especially Movement. In-depth movement. And allthough they weren't very ''Realistic'' all the way through; they were constant and continiously morphing into different shapes and colors of the same display: like a continuous Fractal-movie that at times would become very Clear and immersive.

Too bad my ailments has increased the last couple of days and I've been having high fevers and annoying muscle cramps leaving me restless the last 3 nights. (going to sleep at 4:30 almost all of those 3 nights and awakening somewhere around 12 in the morning every morning after)
I'm going to look out what this Ailment does to my dreaming: For now it seemed to intensify and prolong dreamtime also with a more vivd and impressive memory of it. More mysterious feverish dreams.

After my illness has left me I'll continue to experiment with Coffee & weed and Alcohol & Energy drink.

just drunk a cup of coffee while smoking a strong hashjoint right after I took my sleep medication: 1 15mg pill of Truxal.

I am now rolling my second hashjoint which I will smoke while drinking some coca cola(to add a little more caffeïne to my system). And while I'm buzzed I will listen to the Hypnosis MP3 mentioned earlier in this topic.

dudes careful with that pot, it aint good for you anyway, maybe you could have the depressant act first, to relax, and then have the stimulant kick in. Do they sell time release caffeine pills?

I've actually had some pretty good results with this. It seems that the depressant keeps your body wanting to sleep, while the stimulant helps to keep your brain active (obviously). There are a few drawbacks, though. When I take stimulants before bed, my dreams get very vivid, and often very intense. Sometimes they get too intense for me to ever detach myself from them, and I lose the opportunity to DILD, while gaining an amazing dream experience, is consolation. The other drawback is that, when the "depressant" (although I hate that word), is marijuana, I usually just end up forgetting the dream, altogether, by the time I wake up.

What ever happened to that thread about trying to dream while on psychedellics, SKA?

That sounded interesting but then got buried.......

a dude - Ill try that tonight, what if i take a sleeping pill and drink an energy drink or green tea or something.
Green tea doesn't contain caffeine lol

SKA - I have tried this kind of thing before although I wasn't very motivated, for lack of a better word, to do it. Maybe having a community kinda thing will help.

I will try Green tea/Chamomile tea when I get some, to relax.
Xanax as a CNS depressant
and Coffee double espresso as a stimulant

SKA - I can also sleep on coffee and I know the reason why you get relaxed from stimulants, people with ADHD get this exact effect, that is why the medications such as Ritalin are stimulants. It's basically Cocaine, and that's why when people with ADHD take it for recreational purposes it gets them speedy.

Also with everyone wanting to try alcohol and a stimulant get this stuff called Pulse, dunno if it is where you live. But they mix alcohol and soda with Guarana (the stimulant in most energy drinks) which is basically highly concentrated caffeine.

With Ginseng they have that in this 'Mother' energy drink here and I will try that, too bad it's going out of business because nobody likes it They were selling four packs for a dollar at one point whereas 'V' and 'Red Bull' are like $6.50.

Originally Posted by tommo

Green tea doesn't contain caffeine lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_tea#Caffeine
'Nuff said.

Yeh, coz wikipedia is an irrefutable source....
I know I was wrong, all the green tea I've had says caffeine free, so I just assumed it naturally had no caffeine. But I'm sick of people linking to wikipedia articles and acting like it's as credible as Einstein writing on relativity.

Yes, while you're feeling so high-and-mighty and thinking wikipedia is beneath you, I've taken the liberty of showing you what's what:

What's so wrong with people referencing Wikipedia? For being an encyclopedia anyone can edit, it is surprisingly accurate. People seem to mistrust it simply because anyone has the power to change it.

The great thing about wikipedia is that it requires users to cite their claims using reliable sources. A reliable way to use wikipedia is to cross-check the sites they use as references, to make sure the information on the page is accurate.


Cancer.org Linked from Wikipedia, Reference #5
"Drinking large amounts of tea may cause nutritional and other problems because of the caffeine content"

ajcn.org Linked from Wikipedia, Reference #22
"We investigated whether a green tea extract, by virtue of its high content of caffeine and catechin polyphenols, could increase 24-h energy expenditure"

Plus, it's pretty common knowledge that any tea based on the camellia sinensis plant has naturally occurring caffeine.

Originally Posted by thearrow

Plus, it's pretty common knowledge that any tea based on the camellia sinensis plant has naturally occurring caffeine.

Of course! That's in the basics of tea species 101. How could I forget....?

If a biased wikipedia article references other sources. You read the other sources which correspond with the biased writer.

I read wiki for basic info and take it with a tiny grain of salt, then I search google for sites dedicated to whatever I am learning about and make sure what I read was true.