Thread: Galantamine + Choline

Originally Posted by spacebaba

Thats awesome! Im going to wait a week or until wednesday before I try again with G+C. What do you do after you wake and take?

What works best for me is taking 5htp before I go to bed, I then WBTB approx. 4hours and 30 mins after guessing when i'll fall asleep.

Once I can get my ass out of bed I take my G+C combo and go screw around on dream views or other places reading about lucid dreaming and watching videos to get my mind set. I usually say up for about 45 mins knowing it will take me roughly 5 - 15 mins to fall asleep again. Before I go back to bed I take Alpha GPC.

I happened to try last night and had another successful ld which was great as I haven't tried in a couples of months because I've been busy with work.

Hope you have an LD tonight!

Thats really great your so consistent!!! Thank you, my nap didnt go lucid. I hardly slept actually. But tonight!

I have been using GalantaMind for a couple of months now with lots of success. The only times it doesn't produce a lucid dream, or very many lucid dreams, is when I have a hard time getting back to sleep. If I get to sleep within an hour after taking it, I can have several long lucid dreams in a row. But sometimes I'll only have one lucid dream, get up to right it down, and then have trouble getting back to sleep and have no more lucid dreams that night.

I have this bottle of Lucid Dreamer pills since months, but was too scared to try it lol. Tried it finally this morning, but just couldnt fall back to sleep. Well, maybe next time.

I have excellent results with the pills you mention, i have been a natural lucid dreamer all my
life but my dream recall is generally poor but on the occasions that i take one of these after a
couple of hours of sleep my recall and length of dream is greatly enhanced.

I took one last night and had a really long and enjoyable lucid, personally for me they work
really well.

I have trouble falling asleep as well with the Galantamind. I find it takes me 2-3 hrs to fall back asleep and I even take 400mg of L-theanine when I WBTB alongside the Galantamind. I only get a snippet of what feels like the vibrations coming on and then I fall out of my body like a snake onto the floor by my bedside. Then I tell myself to float upward and I do, but shortly after its like I am starting to wake up again. I just cant seem to get deep enough into the experience. I do however have 1 or 2 False Awakenings before the whole OBE type dream. I am always beyond lucid though during this short event I have. I am totally clear in the mind and am aware of whats happening and even know the vibration feelings I am having are the trigger for me to "slide" out of my body, but then I just cant seem to get out of my bedroom much before I wake up. its like Im sleeping far too lightly. I really need to have a chance to sleep after taking the galantamind. I am thinking of taking a microdose of meletonin on WBTB because the L-theanine is relaxing but does not aid me in sleeping. I heard Melatonin prevents REM though Anyone have any similar experiences with this not falling asleep on galantamind and what they did to fall back asleep? BTW- its only 4mg of Galantamine in the pill and 5-htp keeps me WIIIIIDE awake.

i thing you might be to excited when you go back to sleep. What i do when i take galantamine is wake up take it go to the restroom and come right back to bed and dont think about anything. I also have a fan in my room just for the white noise it makes, this also helps me sleep better.

Originally Posted by NaoticAngel

its like I am starting to wake up again. I just cant seem to get deep enough into the experience.

This is what happens to me. It is difficult to fall asleep. Sometimes it feels like I never really fall asleep completely. I am always aware of my body in bed, and I always have a separate layer of thought that feels completely awake.

Absolutely nailed it there. i never seem to get deep enough in a sleep to go and actually DREAM. im always aware of my own body going through SP (which I used to be scared to death of for YEARS, but now have embraced it as a signal to let go and float out of my body) but other than that, I barely can get out of my room before something small like the dog moving on my bed, or my other half turning over on his side, and VWOOP back into my body again and awake. Last night I decided to WBTB and took 400mg Choline with the Galantamind pill (4mg of G and 100 of Choline) and then I also popped back a tiny crumb (maybe 1/2 mg) of meletonin PLUS 4 mg of L-theanine. This seemed to help loads with getting back to sleep easier (only about 1.5 hrs max I reckon) and I went straight into SP and slid out of my body and hovered in the top corner of my room looking at the bed where we layed and then went backwards (like being sucked back with a string on my back) away from the room through 4 walls when suddenly my stupid dog decided to get up and MOVE over to my side of the bed and yawn, stomp and make loads of noise which suddenly brought me right back inside my body and awake. This also killed the SP that I was having. While in my dream body I can always feel the SP sensation of my own body going on and am present in like 2 forms if that makes sense... Of course after that, the dawn chorus was happening with the birds and i was far too awake to get back to having SP again. Husband also decided to snore on cue as soon as I woke up which left me enraged and yelling at him to turn over +siiigh+ so now I must wait another 3 days (I take 2400mg of paracetum in morning) I am toying with the idea of taking 25mg of sleepeaze which is diphenhydramine. I always get really good HIs with that. I have only ever taken it on flights and long car rides. I usually take 50mg and never had adverse effects, its really dreamy and seems SO easy to go into a WILD with, but I hear its another one that is a REM suppressant. Plus I dont want to mix that with the G without knowing the effects, (did that with loads of vodka one night and BIIIIGGGG mistake!) so i might just try 1/2 a dose before bed and then WBTB with the rest of the other concotion next time i do it. What I really need is a dark-as-fuk room with black curtains and no husband and no dog!!!!! LOL!!

Glad you made it further this time angel. diphenhydramine is an interesting idea, i havent looked into whether its suppresses REM or not though. You could try it on the couch or floor somewhere where you wont be disturbed. Maybe there are other herbs that dont suppress REM, i know valerian, chamomile, wild lettuce, passionflower all can help you get to sleep. If I continue to have sleep trouble ill begin experimenting with those to see if they help. I havent tried again yet though. I just got a small sample of Silene capensis im going to try out soon.

WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finally had a series of DILDS/DEILDS in a chain one after the other last night all part of the same dream! This is what I did.
went to sleep at 10.30pm
woke up at 1am and by 1.30am I took 1/2mg of melatonin and went to sleep
woke up at 3.00am and took 400mg of choline (as liquid lethicin) and 1 GalantaMind pill that had 4mg of Galantamine and 100mg choline in it, and 400mg of L-theanine.
tried to WILD and went to dreaming in about 1/2 hour

1st Dream was very vivid to begin with and I wasnt lucid for the 1st part of it as I was busy trying to get to sleep in my dream thinking I was still awake. I only realised that i was sleeping in someone elses bed back in a town I used to live in and that, that was not where I went to sleep!!! So i went lucid, realising I wasnt in my own bed and then got up from the floor where I was laying and told this guy I used to know in real life who was in my dream (in the room where i was in bed) to Fuck Off (I never really liked him much anyways!) and then I proceeded to jump out the window, smashing through all the glass hahaha!! I went on to do my dream quests totally lucid and I did loads of reality checks. I even tried rubbing my hands together too, but this was really difficult. I then went on to look at my reflection whenever I could!! It was strange seeing myself. I looked totally normal and pleasing the first time I looked at myself (in the reflection of a huge steel sword!) but then as I dreamed on I slowly deteriorated hahahaha!!! I was BUTT-FOUL by the end of the dream, but again, I was totally aware that this was not a true reflection of my face and that it was the dream distorting me, and I even went on to ponder as to why i would look like a had melted cheese for skin? I just found it curious and not disturbing. I had 3 total lucids, but each one was less intense and detailed. they were all connected, so i would wake up and then go back into the dream again each time. Im so happy!!!! FINALLY the Galantamind worked in a way where I wasnt feeling like i was having an OBE, but a proper REAL DREAM. I love the OBE experience though with the galatamine, so i am not knocking that, but for me, i kept having problems with not sleeping deep enough to go into a proper dreamstate, and only having the SP feeling and slipping out of my body to float a few yards from my house or within my room before awakening. Even during this experience I was aware of my dream body and my sleeping body at the same time, so for me, it seems that the meletonin helped knock me off into that bit more of a deeper sleep without killing the REM.

All right!!! Good to hear angel!

So i got my supps recently from dreamamins. Each capsule contains 4mg G and 200 mg C. I thought sensibly and decided it best to start with one capsule. I got 4.5 to 5 hours of sleep before my alarm woke me up. I got up took the cap then went back to bed. I was instantly way to excited and nervous to fall back to sleep. I ended up falling asleep 4 and a half hours later for about an hour with no results. Probably due to the delay of going back to sleep. I've had many ld's all of which naturally occured without wbtb other than one. Now I have the test run done and out of the way hopefully I'll be a lot calmer about it next time. I'll try again in a few days and post up my results. Great info on this thread btw!

This is a very big thread so apologies if this has already been answered but is galantamine available in the uk without perscription and if so how easily available is it?

Originally Posted by RationalMystic

This is a very big thread so apologies if this has already been answered but is galantamine available in the uk without perscription and if so how easily available is it?

Yes you can get it in the uk via websites. I used dreamamins. A google search of that will get you there. Cost me around 40 quid for 60 capsules and was very fast delivery especially coming from the states. It only took 4 days. I bought the lucid dream capsules as that has the choline in it to.

Originally Posted by stubsy123

Yes you can get it in the uk via websites. I used dreamamins. A google search of that will get you there. Cost me around 40 quid for 60 capsules and was very fast delivery especially coming from the states. It only took 4 days. I bought the lucid dream capsules as that has the choline in it to.

Thank you for the quick reply but what I meant was can you buy it in a pharmacy or something without perscription. Online shopping unfortunatly is not an optio for me at the moment. Also since I'm returning to Ireland soon, do you know anything about the availability of galantamine there?

Originally Posted by RationalMystic

Thank you for the quick reply but what I meant was can you buy it in a pharmacy or something without perscription. Online shopping unfortunatly is not an optio for me at the moment. Also since I'm returning to Ireland soon, do you know anything about the availability of galantamine there?

I haven't found any in pharmacies in the uk. Most pharmacists give you a puzzled look when you ask about it. I think online will unfortunately be your only option. If you do manage to find a way to buy online send them an email and ask if they can deliver to the part of ireland you will be in. Even if it doesn't state ireland it doesn't mean they wont ship there. In my experience with them they have been good at getting back to me in good time.

Sorry it's such a bother for you I can imagine your frustration.

Actually now that I think about it, I can ask for one of my roomates to shop on my behalf as he buys modafinal occasionally anyway. Thank you for your time and there's no need to apologise for telling the truth

This question is for the more experience G+C users, have any of you experimented using more than 8mg of Galantamine? I've been reading some research on the doses that have been experimenting with for Alzheimer's patients and saw some interesting results that made me wonder if anyone else has stepped up their dosage to 12mg , 16mg+ etc... and saw any significant results or none. We use a fairly small amount compared to what they use in their studies and altho it's for a much different reason the study showed some very interesting things about 8mg, 16mg and 24mg usage.

I had somewhat of an unpleasant experience last night with this G+C combo.

To be exact, I took 8mg of galantamind (8mg galantamine + 200mg choline citrate) and an additional 250mg of Choline bitartrate.
I did proceed to have a lucid dream, but upon waking up, I had a mild headache, I felt lethargic, and I had a jittery sensation like I drank too many energy drinks.

Has anyone else experienced this? Please advise on how I should adjust my dosage. Thanks.

My second attempt on C and G was a bit better. I had 5 hours sleep but this time took 8 mg G and 400 C. I had a normal dream then woke up and had a very hard time falling asleep again. A few hours later when I did get to sleep I dreamt I was running round an area where I live but there were spot lights in the floor all along the road I was running on. Something about them caught my attention so I investigated them. I tried to look directly in to the light and it was blinding. Suddenly I went tingly and was buzzing so I knew it was the transition of awareness I always feel when lucid but as I tried to settle in I woke up. Upon awakening I remained completely still which got me back into SP. I found out that SP is very pleasant for me and not intense at all. I waited for the buzzing to settle and could feel my arms went weightless and I had freedom of movement in them but my dream body was still in bed. As I was rubbing my hands together and could feel my arms I thought I was ready to start my adventure so I opened my eyes. BIG MISTAKE. When I tried to open my dream eyes my actual eyes opened slightly allowing light in which woke me up. It took a while to get back to sleep again and when I did it was a non-memorable dream.

I read that L-Theanine is good to help get back to sleep without suppressing REM. Has anyone tried this with success?

Well, I read all the pages before posting and I took notes along the way. I already read Yuschak book and should have pure G in 8mg capsules in the mail today. I have everything else and then some...couple days will have GPC too.

I am familiar with OBE and just want to explore safely with supplements.

I will start with 4mg G/400mg Choline B/250 mg L Theanine.

Will add GPC on next try. I have 100grams of piracetam if needed and will try 3x800mg first.

I am also interested to know more about Yuschak successful use of 2000mg L-Aspartic Acid, 4000mg L-Glutamine, 300mg L-Theanine instead of G/C combo.

One poster on here said this about it:
Last night I tried the amino acid combination (2000mg L-Aspartic Acid, 4000mg L-Glutamine, 300mg L-Theanine) for the first time. Wow! It worked extraordinarily well, and I felt like I had an even higher degree of clarity and conscious awareness than I've ever experienced on the G+C combo. Interestingly, the dream also was completely free of any libidinous impulses, which furthers my suspicion that Galantamine can act as a kind of LD-Viagra! I hesitate to put all the blame on it, since my "natural" LDs (achieved without supplements) have sometimes included sexual content, but in the Galantamine dreams it seems like I get seduced into these situations even when I hadn't intended to (or had intended NOT to.)


Anyone else have experience with this 'other' combo?

Thanks!

Well, I had 4 lucid dreams and 5 day dreams before them.

Took 100mg of 5-htp before bed and around 4-4.5 hours of sleep took 8mg of Galantamine capsule with 400-ish mg of Choline bitartrate and 200-ish mg of L-Theanine
(I have them in bulk powder).

It took around hour to get good and sleepy again once I took them. Was up around 20 minutes when I took them. Had the daydreams for that hour then once the thoughts and body got more into light sleep, the lucids began and had control. I was in buildings around others and was putting my hand through stuff to feel it and flew up in a big room with folks down at tables looking up a little nervous at me. Tried to put my hand through another door but it just opened. Put my hand through the floor once and pulled up a mechanical spider that was neat. I did that by gently rolling out of body on the bed to try that with lucids and once on floor played around. Saw my image in a mirror...was normal.

Did not feel any side effects!

I would love to go to places later like multidimensionalman.com has gone to.

Will test out in 3 days.

Somebody here from Germany or EU? I am trying to find Galantine and Choline here in Germany...hmmm is so big difference to America...) Cholin is usually easy to get, but Galantine is a PAIN...you need prescription here!! And what can I say to my Dr.?
Can you Help me Please? Where do u buy here in Germany ? ..order it from another EU country or? If Yes, can somebody send me a link PLEASEEEE!! I found Cholin but only, 100 mg...do I need to take 2-4 Pils?..for I have 200-400 mg...
I must use only Galantine and Choline? or you use something more? If Yes:
What else do u use?
Regards
Ciprian

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