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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Most hackers are not able to improve their own intelligence, make millions of calculations per second or stay online attempting to gain access 24/7. I don't know if a true AI would be able to do these things either but the chances are a little better than your average hacker pulling off similar feats. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Which is one of the main reasons for the uncertainty expressed in the post you quoted. You listed nuclear plants with all those other things, not me. |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 03-26-2011 at 04:26 AM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Hackers may not be able to improve their brainpower, but all it takes to hack is to keep up with the trends in computing and know how computer systems work. You'd be shocked at the amount of teenagers who have the ability to penetrate high security computer systems by spending large amounts of time finding small flaws in software and developing zero day exploits. Shit, the majority of self-proclaimed hackers don't even know how the exploits work; they just find them online and wreak havoc with them. Some teenagers have even been able to access secure offshore information concerning nuclear program intelligence. They gained access to officials' email addresses, all of their emails, classified documents and project information. With some planning they could have taken it even further. If a teenager can do that, there's no telling what an AI bot could do, given enough intelligence. It would certainly be more destructive than compromising a few nuclear programs, though. I can't say for sure that an AI bot would ever go to these lengths, but you can bet your ass it could if it ever needed to. |
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Last edited by MindGames; 03-26-2011 at 06:25 AM.
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You could put the virus on an employers mobile phone. And then set it to copy over to their network when they connect to the internet in the plant. If they even have it there. Not sure if they do. But point is you can do it. And a super intelligent AI could do it even more easily, if it so desired. |
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There are no computers that are hooked up to the internet that are immune to being hacked into. If it's on the net, it's vulnerable. Luckily, defense networks, nuclear power control systems... are on private networks. You can't hack into those remotely. That's not to say that someday the machines will overthrow us, it's just not any time soon. |
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Private networks can be hacked into without outside internet access, which is why I briefly listed some methods that can be used to do so. But yes, I think we can all agree that an artificially intelligent supercomputer isn't going to overthrow humanity and destroy us all anytime soon. |
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Well, I wouldn't say it was proven wrong, just that even if a nuke weren't hooked up to an internet an artificially intelligent bot would still be able to activate it. However there is a chance that there is an open, hackable link from nukes to the internet. |
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Woops I misread that post. Most likely a sane person would not hook a nuke up to the internet. But yes, it's still possible for an AI or even a human to hack in to it without the internet. |
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Yeah I was only clarifying my point which still stands. MindGames showed it could be possible by more general means, which is the important point really. |
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Take the example of a chess-playing robot. A robot programmed to play chess would respond to its opponents moves while at the same time choosing from a range of possible moves it can make. We automatically assume that the robot is not conscious because it's decision making process depends on how it was programmed (to assess all the possible moves it can make and choosing the best one) but couldn't we say that humans use the same decision making process? |
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I don't recall saying that. |
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Cleverbot is a terrible example of serious AI. |
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Yeah it's shit. And it's called a Turing test. And it would also fail because you know it's a bot. |
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I just mean you can't do a Turing test when you know you're talking to a bot. |
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