Thread: Extra Dimensions

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

From my experience with you, practically every argument you make is a fallacy.

Ah, show me one. While you search, you will see that I have either effectively refuted or shown you to have insubstantial evidence for your weak claims. Maybe our understanding of fallacy differs, perhaps? After all, from your writings, you don't seem to take terminology as important, but then again, more than likely it's just a case of you being wrong again.


You make it seem that you're capable of winning a "debate" against me? If this is true, then when did this wishful thinking begin?

Your very attitude reveals your inability to participate in healthy discussions. Your sig says it all. You show no interest in understanding people's ideas. All you're after is that feeling of pride you get from "trumping" someone's argument, whether or not they actually made it. This is not the type of discussion I am interested in which is why I consider you to be a worthless troll.

Phase 2 of Omnis' pattern: ACTIVATED

I deal with fools like you every day. You come a dime a dozen and nothing you say can have an effect on me, not until you learn how to make a real argument. I believe you're capable of it, you just have to get over yourself first. Here, I have a thread that may help you evolve: http://www.dreamviews.com/f22/more-t...erable-125992/

No thanks. Let give you advice, however. There is no such thing as "more true." Seems like your thread failed already from just the topic title.

You always make this so easy.

Stopping at face value. Look deeper, my child.

Phase 2 of Omnis' pattern: END SEQUENCE

Phase 3 of Omnis' pattern: ACTIVATED

You're the only person holding back your evolution.

What's that? Your voice is dying. What happened to that loud bark of yours from before? It's OK to leave now. We won't judge.

On the contrary, I'm enjoying watching you make a fool of yourself.

Such a cliche' response. I'll let the others pick up the pieces I left of you.

Another classic troll response, declaring victory when you have clearly just proven everything I've said about your inability to argue effectively.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Another classic troll response, declaring victory when you have clearly just proven everything I've said about your inability to argue effectively.

You're stepping on thin ice here Omnis. While it's true that James Carville is currently curled in a ball besides me, contentedly digesting the last librarian that worked up the nerve to accuse me of being drunk in the library, he will be hungry again. And soon. If he saw such insolence towards me or an ally, he would surely hunt you down and devour you.



I would toe the line carefully Omnis. If not, I'll be forced to pass on your true name and location (that was you sneaking around in the bushes last night, wasn't it?) to President Obama the next time he calls me (almost daily) on how to best bring the Blessings of Soviet Communisim to bear on the US. I have no qualms about passing your name onto him as a threat to The Revolution.

Unbeknownst to you, our agents of The New World Order are in touch with extraterrestrials and will soon be able to bring in Extreme FEMA Troopers from The Sixteen Millionth and Thirty Second Dimension. Your fate will soon be sealed. Prepare to die.

Well played. I have no response to this.

Originally Posted by Xei

Yes the w axis is a part of reality; I just don't think that has any human or philosophical implications whatsoever. I mean, would it mean anything different to you if there were 12 dimensions? That is the point I am trying to express. It is just a piece of mathematics, you can't deduce anything interesting from it, and you don't personally interact with it. And even if you did it wouldn't mean anything, any more than interacting with the 3 spacial dimensions which we do perceive means anything particularly interesting (as opposed to if we interacted with 2 or 4). Obviously we'd have different experiences, but we'd have different experiences if we lived on the other side of the world or if we could hear frequencies lower than 20Hz... neither of these things would have philosophical implications as such.

What do you mean it has no implications? Do you mean that only that which you can experience physically is the only thing that matters? Youre not making any human sense.

I will never see an alien planet in my life time, but knowing that there are billions of galaxies - galaxies I will never see or know - has completely changed my perception of life. Of course it has philosophical implications. And more than just philosophical implications.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Well played. I have no response to this.

Lol, don't feed the troll, if you see that they aren't helping you understand something, ditch em. Hide their posts so you don't feel tempted to argue with them. Ego battles are very common in forums, and that's about it, feeling better about yourself cause you showed someone else is wrong, isn't making sense, etc etc etc.

Though I understand what you're trying to get at, yes I think that time doesn't have to relate with the amount of spatial dimensions, but reaching one dimension you can infere that time exists, if a "point" could think, but you could not proove it in anyway.

Also I understand what you mean with observing our world to discover if more dimensions exist. Maybe they're not even physical, or relate with time, maybe it has to do with ethereal planes, dream planes, astral planes, maybe even united conciousness of human beings, or specific feelings imply dimensions, like love.

Originally Posted by juroara

What do you mean it has no implications? Do you mean that only that which you can experience physically is the only thing that matters? Youre not making any human sense.

I will never see an alien planet in my life time, but knowing that there are billions of galaxies - galaxies I will never see or know - has completely changed my perception of life. Of course it has philosophical implications. And more than just philosophical implications.

Name one.

Originally Posted by Xei

Name one.

Dude , we're in the phylosophy forum, phylosophy is about sharing ideas to expand your horizons, not about being arrogant and guiding the thread into things that help no one.

Philosophy is about ascertaining the truth, using personal experience and reason rather than dogma and authority as its measure.

The best way to ascertain the truth of the statement 'there are philosophical implications' is to ask the person making the claim to name one.

You've got the creativity bit. What you've apparently failed to understand is that its partner, criticality, is just as vital.

Originally Posted by Xei

Philosophy is about ascertaining the truth, using personal experience and reason rather than dogma and authority as its measure.

The best way to ascertain the truth of the statement 'there are philosophical implications' is to ask the person making the claim to name one.

You've got the creativity bit. What you've apparently failed to understand is that its partner, criticality, is just as vital.

where are your original thoughts, xei? every single post you make is a critique of another member's critique. is it that you believe the other members won't understand, or possibly can not comprehend your brilliance?

If you really want I can PM you some original posts. As much as I'd love to talk about myself, this is somebody else's thread.

It was derailed long ago, and I'm quite interested in hearing what you have to say on the matter.

You talk about philosophical truth Xei, but you're confusing it with scientific objective truth.

It only takes one person to say "this matters to me" for something to matter, the reason why it matters to that individual doesn't change the fact that it mattered! Thats my philosophy and philosophy is always a personal stance on life.

What could it mean if these extra-dimensions are true? I think it means that reality is so much bigger, deeper and fuller than we have ever percieved it to be. If we take the light spectrum as an example, would we still feel the same way about life if we could see it glow?

Wait, what?!