Thread: The Idea of Things Our Logic Cannot Percieve

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Originally Posted by Original Poster

Logic can perceive nothing, that's the job of perception. Logic creates conceptual reality, meaning it is the way we interpret what we see. But what we actually see is experiential reality. This can also be defined as cortexial and limbic experience.

The difference matters, it is folly to confuse how you interpret reality with reality itself. All you have is a reflection. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to interpret reality and build for yourself a working model. You seem some sort of data to base decisions upon. But you can go a lot farther and live a lot happier if you keep in mind that it's just a story, not truth.

Comprehension is something to grasp for, not obtain.

And to go even further, there ARE such things as ineffable experiences.

ineffable

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too great or extreme to be expressed or described in words.

"the ineffable mysteries of the soul"

synonyms:

inexpressible,*
indescribable,
beyond words,*
beyond description,
beggaring description;*

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I'm glad you said that Original Poster. You philosophy types often sound like you know it all.

I like post #15 too, Original Poster

That's what I mean. A reflection, so anything we don't reflect is:

1. completely out of our realm(we then can consider it as nothing)
2. something that exists in our realm, but since we have an idea of it, we can follow what effects that we saw from it, thus reaching it.

You can't possibly say that there are things in our realm that don't effect us, or we can't possibly measure.

For one, a connection with the infinite self does effect the brain, as I explained earlier a cat scan of someone meditating shows more prefrontal cortex activity. The practice of connecting with your infinite self is a type of meditation.

However, it is also nothing, but don't disregard nothing as nothing lulz.

What do you perceive as "out of our realm"?

I would argue why meditation isn't a reach for higher self^^

"out of this realm". I an skeptic about that concept, but I meant something that doesn't exist in our universe. Again, I doubt even our look at what reality is.

"something that doesn't exist in our universe".... for example???


Define meditation as you see it in your minds view

hmmm..... Like devils, for example. Note: They dont exist=>They can't effect us in any way.

Meditation is a state of mind, a relaxed one, where the brain frequency is lowered. No more

..and if devils are merely a metaphor?? something representing something else.

Regardless of who began the concept, devils exist as a concept. right? You are picking up that concept with your mind and dealing with it. right?

So technically they do exist as a thought and a concept. right?

And.. if they exist as metaphor, then one would have to track that down too wouldn't they?? before one can say they don't exist as that. right?


The way you describe meditation would suggest that the brain is dependent on the mind, and if meditation relaxes the mind, then such suggests the mind is dependent on whatever is the state or source of the meditation. Which is all fine and well, as such is my own experience.

Existing as a thought means exists as neuron messages.

Energy... your demon exists then as a pattern of energy, energy in the form of thought. It is not "real" like say, a table or a chair. However the table and the chair are also patterns of energy, energy in the form of a solid object.

What is the real difference between the demon and the chair?

Well, this energy of the thought of the demon can't actually posses people, or do anything a demon is said to do.

Are you sure? To some thoughts are powerful demons that possess and debilitate them. Just because it doesn't look like you think a demon looks, or fits your logical definition of a demon, does not make it less real for them in the realm of their mind.

Hmmmm... ut then it wouldn't be a creature. It would be a thought that is completely under our control

Whos control? For those who are possessed and debilitated it is surely not under their control.


I would add, that as such within their mind, such is also out of the realm of your mind , and therefore out of your control also..

People really can be "possessed" by negative thoughts. Whether you call it negative thoughts, or a demon, the effects feel the same. Effects like, you're not in control of your own thoughts, of your own mind and a loss of sense of who you are. These effects are not minimal, they are severe. People literally die because their negative pattern of thoughts forbid them from finding any sense of joy in the world. In Catholicism the description of demonic oppression is literally the same as a severe life-long depression. And for many, prayer has helped, and so has meditation. There are things we still dont understand about the mind.

Likewise one can escape their pain bodies by focusing, quite literally, on nothing. Put attention on space and the effect is liberating.

Yes, one might be crazy or depressed. A demon that effects us using our mind, a demon that only exists in another realm, a demon that causes the same effects as deppresion or madness, a demon we can't track.

By thought of a demon I meant a memory of the definition of a demon, not effects of an actual demon on the brain.

Define "logic."