What's actually funny to me is that most intelligent atheist do not even argue this point anymore. Anyway, I'll break this down and I'll utilize Nevik's quotes to draw reference toward a complete understanding. Don't ever say I never did anything for you guys.
First thing one must understand is, we are reading accounts from the views of Ancient Eastern thinkers. We view events today in what is called 'step logic' meaning: the idea that each event comes after the previous, executing a series of events in a linear timeline. However, Ancient Hebrews writers did not think in step logic but instead in 'block logic' meaning: grouping together similar ideas in correlation and not in chronological order. The Hebrews style of writing is prolific with a style of poetry unfamiliar to most readers of the Bible. This poetry is nothing like the poetry we are used to reading today and therefore it is invisible to some.
Originally Posted by Nevik
Genesis 1:1 says : "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"...The heavens (sun, moon, stars, all that encompasses the Universe), including the planet Earth, had been created long before, at an unspecified time.
NOTE: The Hebrew word used for "created" is "ba·ra"
In the beginning God created (bara' "The literal meaning of the word bara' is to 'open up', 'to fill up' or to 'bring into tangible existence'. ... stresses that what was opened or filled or brought into existence was new and perfect. The word is used throughout the Bible only with God as its subject.")
NOTE ALSO: The waters EXISTED from day 1!
Originally Posted by Nevik
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Here in Genesis 1:2 God turns His attention to preparing the Earth for life chemistry. At that time, the Earth was still 'formless and waste' (desert, empty). and darkness covered the already existing waters.
The Universe, i.e., Outer Space and everything within it including planet Earth had already been in existence from 'In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth' as mentioned in Genesis 1:1.
Everything after this in the Genesis account from 1:3-31 are talking about the time spent specifically preparing the EARTH for complex life chemistry.
Originally Posted by Nevik
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Here in Genesis 1:3 The paradigm is shifted to the Earth Surface. God is preparing the Earth and there is a 'swaddling band' or a heavy water-filled cloud all around the Earth at this time. We can see this by what happens at Genesis 1:6-8 where God seperates the cloud into water 'on the Earth and water ABOVE the 'sky' or 'Heavens'. So here at Genesis 1:3 the thick cloud of water vapor, which had kept 'darkness on the surface of the earth',(as mentioned in Genesis 1:2 - darkness covered the already existing waters.) was thinning enough for light from the sun, moon and stars, to be seen from the surface of the earth. So,"Light came to be".
Originally Posted by Nevik
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Here in Genesis 1:4,5 God set's the Earth rotational axis allowing for stellar days creating day and night God also animates the Earth into an ecliptic orbit around our parent star.
Originally Posted by Nevik
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Day 2 Separation of the EXISTING WATERS
Here in Genesis 1:6-8 This is separation of the EXISTING WATERS as I mentioned earlier. God seperates the cloud into water 'on the earth and water ABOVE the sky' or 'heavens'. God's attention is still on the surface of the Earth.
Originally Posted by Nevik
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, "Let the earth produce vegetation: plants bearing seeds, each according to its own type, and fruit trees bearing fruit with seeds, each according to its own type." And so it was. 12 The earth produced vegetation: plants bearing seeds, each according to its own type, and trees bearing fruit with seeds, each according to its own type. God saw that they were good. 13 There was evening, then morning-a third day.
Day 3 EXISTING WATERS under the Heavens or sky are gathered together.
NOTE: Plants and vegetation are brought into existence on Day 3 as well.
So since the paradigm was shifted to the surface of the Earth as stated in Genesis 1:2 and the rearrangement of EXISTING WATERS for Day 2 and for Day 3, Day 4 is a further continuance of rearranging of the cover, that on Day 4 the Lights that existed since Day 1 in the Heavens can shine brightly on the Earth as the atmospheric COVERING is changed, turned from translucent to occasionally transparent, as it is today. This change of Atmospheric conditions is one in part due to Day 1 God setting the Earth into rotation and Day 3's plant and vegetation creation. God's bringing fourth the existence of plants on Day 3 adds to this preparation as the plants generate and add oxygen to the atmosphere.
Originally Posted by Nevik
and....
Genesis 1: 16-19 KJV
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Here in Genesis 1:16 the lights or luminaries are 'made'
It is very important to note that the word used here is, infact, 'MADE', and not 'CREATED'. The word for MADE in Hebrew., wai·ya′‛as (from ‛a·sah′), is different from "CREATE" (ba·ra'′) found in Genesis 1:1, 21, 27.
A·sah translated as "made", has a very broad meaning even as "made" does in English.
She made the bed.
OR
Serta/Sealy 'made' the bed???
Do/Make
Original Word: עָשָׂה
Transliteration: asah
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-saw')
Short Definition: accomplish
accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow,
A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application (as follows) -- accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress(-ed), (put in) execute(-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, (fight-)ing man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfill, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ((a feast)), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, pracise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be (warr-)ior, work(-man), yield, use.
6213. ?????? (asah) -- do, make
So in conclusion: The Sun and moon had been 'CREATED' LONG before, when God created the Heavens. On the first "day," this is further apparent in expression "Let light come to be" which was used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning: light in a general sense. But on the 4th "Day," the Hebrew word changes to ma·'ohr′, which refers to a luminary or source of light. (Genesis 1:14) So, on the "Day 1" diffused light which apparently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light could not have been seen by an Earthly observer. By the 4th Day, things had cleared up.
Originally Posted by Nevik
So, according to Genesis 1, light, darkness, and the Earth came before the sun, moon, and the stars. We know this to be false.
And as I mentioned you have a serious misunderstanding of biblical scripture. Which is very apparent based off of this last statement you've 'made'. If you are unsure of something all you have to do is ask.
Here are a few verses you will find interesting.
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
Matthew 7:7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
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